Genesis Prize cancels ceremony after Natalie Portman said she won’t visit Israel

[DavidB.]

Herem please.

[DavidB.]

How about uitsluiting for you from Netherlands for putting another country over yours? You're no better than those "Dutch" AKP fans.

Love the shocked leftist gut reaction. You do not deserve a response (and are on my ignore list on all forums, so do not expect a response if you come up with more bs after this), but I am feeling generous this evening. I am putting no country over the Netherlands. I love the Netherlands and Israel equally -- but differently, of course, as I have a different relation with both of them, one being the country whose passport I have, whose language I speak, in whose polders I grew up, where my fellow Dutch live; the other being the country to which I pray, where my fellow Jews live... There is no contradiction.

Dutch Erdobots (note: definitely not all Dutch Turks are Erdobots!) vote for Turkish nationalists in Turkey but hate Dutch nationalists. That makes them hypocritical. The problem is not that Erdobots vote for Erdogan or are Turkish nationalists; the problem is that they actively oppose the Netherlands and Dutch interests in the process, and clearly disrespect the Dutch people (see the Rotterdam clashes). I, on the other hand, vote for Dutch right-wing nationalists in the Netherlands and support Israeli right-wing nationalists in Israel. Perfectly compatible. I think the PVV's official position on Israel is about as far to the right as the Jewish Home's. And while I use the issue of Israel to select the parties I can potentially vote for (anti-Israel = no-go), my main concern when voting in the Netherlands is limiting immigration. My ideas are completely consistent.

My viewpoint on the way Natalie Portman should be treated in Jewish communities worldwide does not in any way affect my being a good Dutchman.

[DavidB.]

If a Jew choses to side with the anti-Jewish opposition during an armed clash with our Jewish state's forces, that means more than just opposing the government or the Prime Minister of whatever. I couldn't care less about Bibi either.

[DavidB.]

If a Jew choses to side with the anti-Jewish opposition during an armed clash with our Jewish state's forces, that means more than just opposing the government or the Prime Minister of whatever. I couldn't care less about Bibi either.

I don't think protesting deaths caused by the Israeli government is the same as siding with the anti-Jewish opposition.

Well, I think it is.

[DavidB.]

If a Jew choses to side with the anti-Jewish opposition during an armed clash with our Jewish state's forces, that means more than just opposing the government or the Prime Minister of whatever. I couldn't care less about Bibi either.

I don't think protesting deaths caused by the Israeli government is the same as siding with the anti-Jewish opposition.

Well, I think it is.

And you're wrong in thinking that.

If a quality poster like you says so, it must be true.

[DavidB.]

Is protesting the Iraq war the same as siding with the anti-American opposition?

Different case, as American territory wasn't directly attacked in the Iraq War while terrorists are now right at the Israeli de facto border with Gaza. If Iraqis were at the U.S. border posing a realistic threat, however, protesting U.S. defense forces protecting the border would absolutely be anti-American and I would wholeheartedly support Americans distancing themselves from such individuals.

[DavidB.]

Yeah, Steve Bannon, the guy who started Breitbart Jerusalem, is totally as antisemitic or dangerous to Jews as "from the river to the sea" BDS. It is also outright laughable to put Trump in category "c" after opening an embassy in Israel and being the most pro-Israeli U.S. president ever, while left-wingers who keep parroting their malicious anti-Israel nonsense get a pass from you as long as they conceal their nonsense in accepted terms. And how the hell would Josh Mandel be a "fellow traveller to antisemitic groups"? I always tended to respect your views on this issue, but your hackery is really showing now.

[DavidB.]

Has Bannon ever said or done anything antisemitic or nah? You'll find that the latter will be the answer. Only some rumors. And "extensive ties with X" = guilt by association. Bannon and Trump are not responsible for the views of those they talk with.

I don't know what level of cognitive dissonance you have to be on to think that Obama did "anything truly consequential" for Israel while Trump didn't. Holy sh**t, dude. That's some A-class hackery right there.

Most American Jews seem to live on a completely different planet than I, a planet where condemning Jews living in villages in Judea and Samaria is "brave" and good for the Jewish people while recognizing Jerusalem as the eternal capital of Israel is "disingenuous virtue signalling" (to most it would be the other way around if it were a Democrat opening an embassy in Jerusalem and a Republican condemning the settlements, of course) -- and then having the gall to say others are "throwing their own people under the bus".

Didn't know Mandel had condemned the ADL. Good for him. The ADL is a far-left disgrace. It doesn't fight antisemitism, it causes it. Why does the ADL have to push for open border policies regarding refugees when this issue is 100% irrelevant to the wellbeing and safety of Jews? Nobody resents it more than I do, but I understand how non-Jews start liking us less if they get the impression that it is our community pushing for this sort of thing. It is so toxic and the ADL keep doing it. About time they got called out for it.