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« on: June 25, 2018, 02:33:21 PM »
« edited: June 25, 2018, 03:10:20 PM by DavidB. »

Believe it or not, this is a sincere attempt to understand. Many European political parties are now organised around anti-Muslim politics. To go further, many Europeans on this forum of all parties participate in anti-Muslim politics, e.g. by documenting crimes committed by Muslim criminals. One question I have is what is the aim these politicians / supporters have by participating in anti-Muslim politics?

Reduction of Muslim presence in public life or the public sphere? Discrediting Islam as an idea? Or discrediting other, non-religious aspects of cultures with lots of Muslims? Yet there are a billion of them and Moroccans, Levantines, Indonesians are starkly different.
I don't really care that much about Islam itself. I absolutely think Islam is "inherently" more violent (in terms of scripture) than Christianity or Judaism, and I think this is the main reason why once "progressive" areas in the Levant and the Middle East started declining in terms of civilization following Islamization while previously backwards areas in Europe thrived following the turn towards Christianity. However, ultimately, from a social perspective, a religion is what its followers make of it. In case of Islam, the picture ain't pretty. Almost all Muslim countries are thoroughly unfree and terrible countries to live in.

Reduction of immigration from Muslim countries? But there are big Muslim populations in Europe, who are usually included indiscriminately in anti-Muslim politics?
Yes: an end to mass immigration, and remigration of those immigrants and descendants of immigrants who refuse to accept our values and spit on our countries. This is the main point.

The open disrespect for (and sometimes crimes against) women, gay people, Jews, and native Europeans in general all stem from a mindset of Muslim supremacy -- often held by people who are barely observant and not "traditional" in any meaningful sense, but who have utterly failed to integrate in our society.

Is it their "fault"? Partly yes, because as a minority they are supposed to accept the rules and values of their host country, but on the other hand, those who do not break the law and have passports cannot reasonably be "blamed" for anything, and our governments should have been clearer in their expectations from the start (for example, the Dutch government literally followed the model of "pillarization" and let Turkish and Moroccan communities organize themselves similarly -- no wonder integration does not take place!). In the end, I think we have to conclude that the cultural gap is just too big, which inevitably leads to tensions: "blaming" anybody really isn't fruitful, but that does not mean we do not have an enormous problem on our hands. A problem that is only exacerbated as more and more Muslim immigrants are taken in.
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