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Chief Justice Keef
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« on: August 07, 2018, 06:35:13 PM »

A guy named "Abdul El-Sayed" isn't the right candidate, even if he has a fantastic platform.

A guy with the middle name Hussein won Michigan by 16 points. I thought you were smarter than to fall for these ridiculous clichés.

Obama isn't a Muslim.

And no the median voter didn't believe he was one either, even if a significant number of morons did.

Would it have made a difference to the "median voter" if he was one? Anyone voting based on a candidate's religious status is probably a solid Republican.
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« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2018, 07:26:04 PM »

Wow, Abdul leading in Washtenaw County (Ann Arbor).
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« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2018, 07:49:07 PM »


surprised hes calling this with only 2% of the vote.

There isn't really a path for El-Sayed to win. He's underperforming in nearly all of the areas Bernie won in 2016.
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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2018, 08:04:06 PM »


Abdul was always a longshot, plus the addition of Thanedar complicated things for progressives. Hopefully he has a future in Michigan politics.
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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2018, 08:07:18 PM »

Whitmer is decent, even if she wasn't my top pick. The Hillary comparisons were always absurd, at least Whitmer came out for a $15/hr minimum wage.
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« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2018, 08:12:49 PM »

Honestly, if a progressive Democrat wins the White House in 2020, he'd be a top contender for HHS secretary.
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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2018, 08:13:30 PM »

What happens if the MI 13th special candidate is different than the regular 13th candidate?

Then the special candidate serves from November until January 3rd, 2019.
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« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2018, 09:27:03 PM »

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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2018, 09:46:16 PM »

In other news, Missouri's right-to-work law got struck down by 25 points.
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« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2018, 10:18:28 PM »

Hoping Sarah Smith overcomes the GOP candidate in WA-9.
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« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2018, 10:23:09 PM »

Whitmer is probably to the left of every other Democrat nominated for Governor so far this year except for Ben Jealous. That's the silliest part.
Even to the left of Abrams?

Abrams wasn't even the most left wing candidate running in that primary.

Uh...
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« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2018, 10:49:48 PM »

Very happy about Tlaib pulling ahead.
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« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2018, 11:11:45 PM »

Also, I am legitimately surprised at the number of Democrats celebrating pretty much a Sarsour clone getting elected to Congress.

Yes, and?
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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2018, 10:09:25 PM »

Thankfully Kansas has a sore loser law, otherwise we'd be seeing an independent run for the Sanders candidate.

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG!

-tweet-

Not to mention Ocasio-Cortez's endorsement of Davids on Twitter.

I love this narrative that Sanders supporters refuse to unite behind the general election candidate when we have large parts of the Democratic establishment in Maryland refusing to campaign with or endorse Jealous, and a LITERAL INDEPENDENT RUN from a centrist Democrat against Marc Elrich in the Mont. County race in the same state.
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« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2018, 11:10:12 AM »

Thankfully Kansas has a sore loser law, otherwise we'd be seeing an independent run for the Sanders candidate.

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG!

-tweet-

Not to mention Ocasio-Cortez's endorsement of Davids on Twitter.

I love this narrative that Sanders supporters refuse to unite behind the general election candidate when we have large parts of the Democratic establishment in Maryland refusing to campaign with or endorse Jealous, and a LITERAL INDEPENDENT RUN from a centrist Democrat against Marc Elrich in the Mont. County race in the same state.

Montgomery County resident here. Let me calm your fears about Nancy Floreen, there's a zero percent chance Elrich isn't going to be the next Montgomery County Executive. Nobody likes Floreen, people here are partisan and aren't going to vote for a centrist spoiler.

How low Montgomery county has fallen)))) Not long ago it elected a sensible politicians of all sorts (sometimes - even sensible Republicans of very sane variety). Now it's simply a hyperparisan army of "bold progressives", who doesn't know, how to think, and simply press one familiar button))))))

The smugness of moderate heroism is reeking out of this post.
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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2018, 12:06:57 AM »

TRAAAAAASH
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« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2018, 12:09:46 AM »

Gabbard Gabbard Gabbard!! Hip hip hurrah! Hip hip hurrah! Hip hip hurrah!

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« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2018, 12:17:57 AM »

Congratulations to the smug Moderate Heroes on Atlas for scoring the worst Democratic congressional delegation in the country.
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« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2018, 01:21:19 AM »

No, sir. I hope that US is a clever country. An idiots, like those in DSA, usually don't win too much in clever countries)))). Sometimes, somewhere - yes. But - not more.

You know socialism is not going away anytime soon? We've scored wins in the VA State House (Lee Carter), primary wins in the PA State House (Sara Innamorato, Summer Lee), AOC in New York and Rashida Tlaib in Michigan.

So what, the centrists got Ed Case tonight. There's going to be DSA members in congress in January, probably going to be a sizable socialist caucus in Congress by 2020, and plenty of wins for the left on the state legislative level. The Blue Dogs have been disappearing from the halls of Congress with each election cycle, and not a whole lot of them are gonna get elected in November. The "pasokification" we've seen in Europe, the decline of the centre-left, is occurring in America right now. The New Dem strategy crashed and burned in 2016, and we saw the rise of a right-wing populist movement in America. We've also seen the rise of a new left-wing movement in America.

I think Democrats are gonna excel in 2018 without a cohesive ideology or party leader for its voters to get behind, but just wait until those 2020 primaries start. Whoever emerges from that 20-candidate pileup that's bound to occur will be the face of the Democratic Party, and most of the candidates running in downballot races are going to be influenced by the policies that presidential candidate supports. Don't believe me, look at Trump and the Republican Party. GOP voters can't get enough of him, and GOP politicians are standing by him and supporting his policies and cabinet picks without hesitation.

Spoiler alert: that candidate is not gonna be a Joe Manchin or Andrew Cuomo "sensible moderate" type. It's either going to be one of Sanders, Warren, Gillibrand, Harris, Booker or even Brown. Because what kind of Democratic Party where a majority of its members support single-payer healthcare, free college, a $15/hr min. wage or even a federal job guarantee is going to support centrism for the sake of centrism?

Not every candidate AOC endorses will win, just like not every young Democrat hotshot that has the support of the DCCC will win this year. Or that not every Blue Dog will win this year by virtue of their glorious, invalauble C E N T R I S M. Parties and movements have wins and losses, and the DSA is a fledgling movement. But socialists have won primaries and even general elections against Republicans across America, since last year. So I wouldn't say that AOC's win was a fluke in the Bronx. It is a part of a growing progressive socialist movement in America that continues to gain ground with each passing day.
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« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2018, 01:42:56 AM »

No, sir. I hope that US is a clever country. An idiots, like those in DSA, usually don't win too much in clever countries)))). Sometimes, somewhere - yes. But - not more.

You know socialism is not going away anytime soon? We've scored wins in the VA State House (Lee Carter), primary wins in the PA State House (Sara Innamorato, Summer Lee), AOC in New York and Rashida Tlaib in Michigan.

So what, the centrists got Ed Case tonight. There's going to be DSA members in congress in January, probably going to be a sizable socialist caucus in Congress by 2020, and plenty of wins for the left on the state legislative level. The Blue Dogs have been disappearing from the halls of Congress with each election cycle, and not a whole lot of them are gonna get elected in November. The "pasokification" we've seen in Europe, the decline of the centre-left, is occurring in America right now. The New Dem strategy crashed and burned in 2016, and we saw the rise of a right-wing populist movement in America. We've also seen the rise of a new left-wing movement in America. And as the recent Third Way conference shows, the center is struggling to come up with a response to "Sanderism" or "Trumpism" because

I think Democrats are gonna excel in 2018 without a cohesive ideology or party leader for its voters to get behind, but just wait until those 2020 primaries start. Whoever emerges from that 20-candidate pileup that's bound to occur will be the face of the Democratic Party, and most of the candidates running in downballot races are going to be influenced by the policies that presidential candidate supports. Don't believe me, look at Trump and the Republican Party. GOP voters can't get enough of him, and GOP politicians are standing by him and supporting his policies and cabinet picks without hesitation.

Spoiler alert: that candidate is not gonna be a Joe Manchin or Andrew Cuomo "sensible moderate" type. It's either going to be one of Sanders, Warren, Gillibrand, Harris, Booker or even Brown. Because what kind of Democratic Party where a majority of its members support single-payer healthcare, free college, a $15/hr min. wage or even a federal job guarantee is going to support centrism for the sake of centrism?

Not every candidate AOC endorses will win, just like not every young Democrat hotshot that has the support of the DCCC will win this year. Or that not every Blue Dog will win this year by virtue of their glorious, invalauble C E N T R I S M. Parties and movements have wins and losses, and the DSA is a fledgling movement. But socialists have won primaries and even general elections against Republicans across America, since last year. So I wouldn't say that AOC's win was a fluke in the Bronx. It is a part of a growing progressive socialist movement in America that continues to gain ground with each passing day.

I lived under socialism for almost 35 years, so, i, probably know better what it is. And don't want to live under socialism even a day anymore. No "democratic" adjectives will convince me. Some people are surprised, that Russians in NYC vote the way they do - i don't. Of course - there are exceptions, but you will hardly find more militanly anti-socialist group then we are. Even Cubans in Miami are, probably, less so now.

The DSA is not a Stalinist org, lol. You being the enlightened centrist who thinks he's smarter than everyone else should know that. And it doesn't matter if someone like AOC hasn't "convinced" you. The DSA has already convinced tens of thousands of politically active people of their platform and message, and that number continues to grow.
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« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2018, 09:15:02 AM »

Did he grow Bryan Steil in a Petri dish?
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« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2018, 06:24:55 PM »

No, sir. I hope that US is a clever country. An idiots, like those in DSA, usually don't win too much in clever countries)))). Sometimes, somewhere - yes. But - not more.

You know socialism is not going away anytime soon? We've scored wins in the VA State House (Lee Carter), primary wins in the PA State House (Sara Innamorato, Summer Lee), AOC in New York and Rashida Tlaib in Michigan.

So what, the centrists got Ed Case tonight. There's going to be DSA members in congress in January, probably going to be a sizable socialist caucus in Congress by 2020, and plenty of wins for the left on the state legislative level. The Blue Dogs have been disappearing from the halls of Congress with each election cycle, and not a whole lot of them are gonna get elected in November. The "pasokification" we've seen in Europe, the decline of the centre-left, is occurring in America right now. The New Dem strategy crashed and burned in 2016, and we saw the rise of a right-wing populist movement in America. We've also seen the rise of a new left-wing movement in America.

I think Democrats are gonna excel in 2018 without a cohesive ideology or party leader for its voters to get behind, but just wait until those 2020 primaries start. Whoever emerges from that 20-candidate pileup that's bound to occur will be the face of the Democratic Party, and most of the candidates running in downballot races are going to be influenced by the policies that presidential candidate supports. Don't believe me, look at Trump and the Republican Party. GOP voters can't get enough of him, and GOP politicians are standing by him and supporting his policies and cabinet picks without hesitation.

Spoiler alert: that candidate is not gonna be a Joe Manchin or Andrew Cuomo "sensible moderate" type. It's either going to be one of Sanders, Warren, Gillibrand, Harris, Booker or even Brown. Because what kind of Democratic Party where a majority of its members support single-payer healthcare, free college, a $15/hr min. wage or even a federal job guarantee is going to support centrism for the sake of centrism?

Not every candidate AOC endorses will win, just like not every young Democrat hotshot that has the support of the DCCC will win this year. Or that not every Blue Dog will win this year by virtue of their glorious, invalauble C E N T R I S M. Parties and movements have wins and losses, and the DSA is a fledgling movement. But socialists have won primaries and even general elections against Republicans across America, since last year. So I wouldn't say that AOC's win was a fluke in the Bronx. It is a part of a growing progressive socialist movement in America that continues to gain ground with each passing day.

Y'all. Until I see candidates actively supporting an end to capitalism and a beginning of a democratically controlled economy and classless society, I am not calling them socialists. AOC, Kaniela Ing, Bernie, Rashida Tlaib, and the like are much closer to Social Dems then they are to even "moderate" socialists.

Stop conflating the two because it's honestly starting to get embarrassing watching people change their avis to maroon and claim how socialist the Democratic party is becoming. If anything it's becoming a Social Democratic party. Real heavy socialists see the Democrats as anathema to a classless, equal society where capitalism is replaced by something different.
Its American Socialism, which is Social Democracy. Thats just how Right the Ovetone window is.

uh... tell that to an actual full on Socialist and see how fast you get told off.

I'm an "actual full-on socialist" and I stand by what I said. Are you a socialist?
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« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2018, 06:28:55 PM »

Good luck to Rocky De La Fuente in both of his Senate primaries tonight in Vermont and Minnesota.
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« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2018, 06:32:48 PM »


He'll continue to run as an independent. If he wins, he'll just reject the nomination.

His only opponent is a no-name that hasn't campaigned.
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« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2018, 08:30:56 PM »

The death of Tim Pawlenty's political career would be the highlight of the night for me.
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