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« on: December 19, 2019, 05:22:43 PM »

What effect does this have on bills that repeal right to work and force people to pay into unions?


For example, our rights grant us the ability to arm ourselves and practice our religion, but we also have the right to not arm ourselves and cannot be forced to practice a religion. Using that logic, would it make it illegal to require union membership as a condition of employment? Just as our rights allow us to not arm ourselves or allow us to practice no religion, it would make sense that under this we should be allowed to not unionize if that is what an individual wants. Making any laws that allow requirements of union membership unconstitutional if this should pass.
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« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2019, 06:28:08 PM »

Since the sponsor doesn't seem willing to address the concerns listed above, nor have they bothered speaking for their bill since being introduced, motion to table.
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« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2019, 10:37:51 PM »

What effect does this have on bills that repeal right to work and force people to pay into unions?

For example, our rights grant us the ability to arm ourselves and practice our religion, but we also have the right to not arm ourselves and cannot be forced to practice a religion. Using that logic, would it make it illegal to require union membership as a condition of employment? Just as our rights allow us to not arm ourselves or allow us to practice no religion, it would make sense that under this we should be allowed to not unionize if that is what an individual wants. Making any laws that allow requirements of union membership unconstitutional if this should pass.

Since this amendment explicitly says that right of the working people to organize and bargain collectively shall not be infringed, it would likely imply that right-to-work laws are no longer valid, as they infringe upon the right to organize and bargain collectively.

No matter how much you say that people are forced to pay into unions, this just rings hollow.
And while i hate to reiterate what i have said in the past, in this case it is necessary to do so:

Nobody is being forced to join a union. Sure at some workplaces, where a union has been designated by the employees to bargain collectively on their behalf, you must either be part of the union, or allow them to bargain for you in many areas. If you object, seek employment elsewhere: it's part of the terms of working there.
Imagine that it's like having to report to a manager or supervisor you dislike, or comply with work rules you find objectionable: you're not 'forced', but if you want to work there, that's what you're going to have to deal with.



Right to work simply prohibits an employer forcing someone to join an union as a condition of employment. If someone is forcing you to unionize, that infringes on your rights. Just as it would infringe on your rights if I forced you to obtain a gun. If someone wants to join a union in a right to work area, there is absolutely nothing that stops them from doing so. In fact, there are tons of unions that still exist in right to work states IRL.

Federal law in Atlasia already ensures that unions do not bargain on behalf of employees who haven't paid into it. There is no valid reason to take the choice on whether or not to join a union away from an employee. People have tons of valid reasons not to join one, and to silence those people is very blatantly anti-worker.
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« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2019, 10:39:23 PM »

Aye on tabling.
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« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2019, 05:25:53 PM »

Objecting to the final vote motuon.
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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2019, 10:16:19 AM »

Nay
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