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Chancellor Tanterterg
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« on: April 26, 2024, 07:01:21 PM »

As ever, your take on Corbyn is a fanciful caricature that does you little credit.

The real tragedy of the man is that he was presented with a tremendous opportunity by the 2017 GE result (and no, it was far from all the doing of others - even if that was a significant factor) and then proceeded to comprehensively blow it.

And he is maybe proof that just having your heart basically in the right place, or being in favour of on the face of it unequivocally good things like "peace", is not in itself enough to succeed. You need some political *strategy* to deal with all the powerful forces that will inevitably be hostile, and the equally foreseeable instances when the real world makes implementing your laudable goals more problematic.

He will certainly provide future historians with much of interest to study, that at least is for sure.

He won’t even be a footnote in history
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« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2024, 11:51:16 AM »

Again, you exaggerate due to your personal dislike of the man. The 2015-20 period in Labour party history, and not least the 2017 GE, are going to prove fascinating ground for future chroniclers.

Not really, he’s already being forgotten
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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2024, 09:25:35 AM »

Again, you exaggerate due to your personal dislike of the man. The 2015-20 period in Labour party history, and not least the 2017 GE, are going to prove fascinating ground for future chroniclers.

Not really, he’s already being forgotten

Which just shows that you are not based in the UK, I can state pretty confidently he remains far from "being forgotten" here. Indeed, a desperate Tory party still intends to make "Starmer supported and served under him, thus he is unfit to be PM" a key part of its GE campaign.

I mean, you are correct that I don't live in the UK.  That's not the epic dunk you seem to think it is, but whatever.  Obviously being a British politician, Corbyn will avoid being completely forgotten a bit longer than the rest of the world.  However, 7-10 years from now, no one except politics nerds will really remember or care who he is.  This is already the case in much of the world.  He's an irrelevant has been.
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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2024, 06:45:12 PM »

Again, you exaggerate due to your personal dislike of the man. The 2015-20 period in Labour party history, and not least the 2017 GE, are going to prove fascinating ground for future chroniclers.

Not really, he’s already being forgotten

Which just shows that you are not based in the UK, I can state pretty confidently he remains far from "being forgotten" here. Indeed, a desperate Tory party still intends to make "Starmer supported and served under him, thus he is unfit to be PM" a key part of its GE campaign.

I mean, you are correct that I don't live in the UK.  That's not the epic dunk you seem to think it is, but whatever.  Obviously being a British politician, Corbyn will avoid being completely forgotten a bit longer than the rest of the world.  However, 7-10 years from now, no one except politics nerds will really remember or care who he is.  This is already the case in much of the world.  He's an irrelevant has been.

Well in much of "the world" 99.99999% of people don't matter.

So that isn't really an "epic dunk" either Smiley

Genuinely not sure what point you were trying to make with this post.
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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2024, 08:28:40 PM »

He should go talk to his friends from Hezbollah and his friends from Hamas, they seem to care about peace a lot.

What friends?

How about the government of Israel just stops bombing innocent civilians and call for a ceasefire. So far they are going to plan to invade Rafah pretty soon amidst the tensions.

You really haven't gotten that there is no force on Earth that will stop the war before the hostages are returned alive, have you?

No one believes that the Israeli government gives a damn about the hostages. They want to resettle Gaza and continue taking Palestinian territory.

October 7th was the result of their failure to protect Israeli citizens, based on their own hubris and underestimation of the will of Palestinians in Gaza—and also, because they were busy protecting extremist West Bank settlers. Nevertheless, the attacks presented the Israeli government with a golden opportunity to retake Gaza for settlement and annexation, and kill or otherwise remove a ton of Palestinians as a bonus.

If there were any justice, the current Israeli government coalition and the settler extremists would be treated as global pariahs, the same as any rogue state, terrorist, or criminal organization. And accusations of anti-Semitism in response to condemnations like this would be treated as the morally offensive, bad faith hysterics they are—accusations that only serve to backfire against combating actual anti-Semitism.

Imagine actually believing this Roll Eyes
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