Israel Ambassador: If UN recognize Palestaine, expect the US to completely stop funding the UN

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If the USA refuses to recognise Palestine and not adhere to international law, they should indeed just leave the UN. We're better off without them.

No more nations with veto power please (and preferrably no-one).

If the goal is simply to obstruct and abuse the system than just leave.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

If the USA refuses to recognise Palestine and not adhere to international law, they should indeed just leave the UN. We're better off without them.

No more nations with veto power please (and preferrably no-one).

If the goal is simply to obstruct and abuse the system than just leave.

Recognizing Palestine now, without any structure for a comprehensive peace deal in place, to create a two state solution, will just embolden the Israelis even more, because they would see Palestine, as an actual state, and if people think it's bad now, it will be even worse, when Israel invades all of Palestine as a official all out war, a declaration of war.

Than it's the duty of the international community (the UN) in this case, to condemn Israel, punish Israel, put the people for responsible for this punitive actions in front of the Hague and restore the borders like at least that of 1967.

If not diplomatically enforced, than militarily so, via an international coalition to restore peace. But if nations actually are willing to do this, than i don't believe it'll actually have to happen since Israel would know they shouldn't do this. A big reason of why all this sh**t is ongoing is because no-one is showing intention of stopping them.

That's why the USA (and the Biden administration by extension) has the power to stop this, even if Europe should do more, including pressuring USA to undertake action or take diplomatic actions in case the USA rejects to do something about it, such as diplomatically isolating Israel, ending diplomatic relations, expelling Israeli diplomats, expelling Israel organizations from European organizations, withdrawing recognition for the state of Israel, a ban on Israeli settlers entering European territory and end all trade.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

If the USA refuses to recognise Palestine and not adhere to international law, they should indeed just leave the UN. We're better off without them.

No more nations with veto power please (and preferrably no-one).

If the goal is simply to obstruct and abuse the system than just leave.

Recognizing Palestine now, without any structure for a comprehensive peace deal in place, to create a two state solution, will just embolden the Israelis even more, because they would see Palestine, as an actual state, and if people think it's bad now, it will be even worse, when Israel invades all of Palestine as a official all out war, a declaration of war.

Than it's the duty of the international community (the UN) in this case, to condemn Israel, punish Israel, put the people for responsible for this punitive actions in front of the Hague and restore the borders like at least that of 1967.

But as we all know, the UN is weak and useless, because it can be hijacked by bad actors such as China and Russia ( who by the way are no examples of freedom and democracy ). And most importantly, it has 0 to no effect on individual countries.  Look, at the recent resolution by the UN security council. It passed, but it had no operational effect at all.  Or even look back at Rwanda. UN peacekeepers were sent in, and it was useless, no one did anything.

The irony is that the UN can also be hijacked by another bad actor: the United States of America, and we've seen that happen a number of times too. Not just under Trump (by for instance by withdrawing from Paris or the Iran deal), but also under Biden too.

I've already said that no nation should have veto power. But that perhaps a two third majority should be needed to reach a consensus.

I agree that the UN isn't always as effective by the way, but it's more than nothing at all, and it definitely has its use.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

If the USA refuses to recognise Palestine and not adhere to international law, they should indeed just leave the UN. We're better off without them.

No more nations with veto power please (and preferrably no-one).

If the goal is simply to obstruct and abuse the system than just leave.

Recognizing Palestine now, without any structure for a comprehensive peace deal in place, to create a two state solution, will just embolden the Israelis even more, because they would see Palestine, as an actual state, and if people think it's bad now, it will be even worse, when Israel invades all of Palestine as a official all out war, a declaration of war.

Than it's the duty of the international community (the UN) in this case, to condemn Israel, punish Israel, put the people for responsible for this punitive actions in front of the Hague and restore the borders like at least that of 1967.

But as we all know, the UN is weak and useless, because it can be hijacked by bad actors such as China and Russia ( who by the way are no examples of freedom and democracy ). And most importantly, it has 0 to no effect on individual countries.  Look, at the recent resolution by the UN security council. It passed, but it had no operational effect at all.  Or even look back at Rwanda. UN peacekeepers were sent in, and it was useless, no one did anything.

The irony is that the UN can also be hijacked by another bad actor: the United States of America, and we've seen that happen a number of times too. Not just under Trump (by for instance by withdrawing from Paris or the Iran deal), but also under Biden too.

I've already said that no nation should have veto power. But that perhaps a two third majority should be needed to reach a consensus.

You're not wrong, but it just calls into question the effectiveness of the UN as a whole, and what we can do to reform it, but no foreign policy official I know of has thought about that long term. Once again, I point back to the Rwandan Genocide, and no one did ANYTHING to stop it. And that was a clear explicit genocide.

I don't know why not more was done to stop the Rwandan genocide, but generally this was a slow response, and it's possible not enough people or nations actually cared about it or were fully aware of what is going on until it was already too late. It was a genocide that happened in a very short timespan IIRC.

But it's also in part the job of the UN to learn from its past mistakes and ensure it doesn't make the same mistakes anymore.

There also isn't really an alternative for the UN here, that would be better equiped with this.

A huge reason of why the UN is not very capable to do a lot of stuff is because of great powers having veto power, including the USA, but also Russia and China of course. It makes it very incapable to independently (strongly) act if it's against the interest of one of those three, which often will be the case for something.

I am getting a lot of LoN vibes kinda generally nowadays from the UN. And i'm not sure it being incapable to deal with that stuff is solely to blame on the UN itself (it's an easy way of trying to disregard what they are doing). And that would further increase national governments power to act indepêndently or not take UN seriously.