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GP270watch
Junior Chimp
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« on: September 29, 2019, 10:31:08 PM »
« edited: September 30, 2019, 12:03:25 AM by GP270watch »

Food stamps exist, but I can still buy food using my own money, so why can’t single-payer and private insurance co-exist?


That's a bad analogy because your money is provided, backed, and managed by the government and so are food stamps.

 For the analogy to work your money to buy things would be provided by your job and since it's not universal currency would only be accepted at certain places. This is a system that actually existed once and was completely disastrous and exploitive, it was known as company scrip. It's also similar to how private health insurance works where you are limited to obtaining your healthcare "in network".

 Private insurance can exist like elective plastic surgery exists or how you can hire private security even though there are police in your town. But private insurance as it exists in The United States cannot be the primary method of providing healthcare because it does such a poor job of doing so.



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GP270watch
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2019, 01:42:02 PM »
« Edited: October 02, 2019, 04:25:25 PM by GP270watch »

8 posts in and no one bothered to point out that it appears the OP does not know what single-payer means.  Based on the other posts in this thread, it would further appear that no one else does either.

Now if the question is "why can't universal health coverage and private insurance co-exist" then the answer is, of course, that there is no reason why they can't.

 Here is a good primer explaining the differences. I think people on here know the difference so I don't understand your comment.

 source: International Health Systems for Single Payer Advocates


Health care systems in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) countries primarily reflect three types of programs:


1. In a single-payer national health insurance system, as demonstrated by Canada, Denmark, Norway, Australia, Taiwan and Sweden (1), health insurance is publicly administered and most physicians are in private practice. U.S. Medicare would be a single payer insurance system if it applied to everyone in the U.S.

2. Great Britain and Spain are among the OECD countries with national health services, in which salaried physicians predominate and hospitals are publicly owned and operated. The Veteran’s Administration would be a U.S. single payer national health service system if it applied to everyone in the U.S.

3. Highly regulated, universal, multi-payer health insurance systems are illustrated by countries like Germany and France, which have universal health insurance via non-profit “sickness funds” or “social insurance funds”. They also have a market for supplementary private insurance, or “gap” coverage, but this accounts for less than 5 percent of health expenditures in most nations.

Sickness or social insurance funds do not operate like insurance companies in the U.S.; they don’t market, cherry pick, set premiums or rates paid to providers, determine benefits, earn profits or have investors, etc. In most countries, sickness funds pay physicians and hospitals uniform rates that are negotiated annually (also known as an “all-payer” system). Princeton economist Uwe Reinhardt calls Switzerland’s “sickness funds” quasi-governmental agencies(2). In France, the overwhelming majority of the population is in a single non-profit fund, so many observers consider the French system “single payer.”

There is no model similar to sickness funds operating in the U.S. (3), although they are often confused with the Federal Employee Health Benefit Program (FEHBP), which is simply a group of for-profit private insurance plans with varying benefits, rules, regulations, providers, etc. The 1993 Clinton health plan was an attempt to regulate private insurance companies in the U.S. to behave more like sickness funds, but the insurance industry defeated it.
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GP270watch
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2019, 02:40:41 PM »
« Edited: October 02, 2019, 02:44:19 PM by GP270watch »

OK fine, I take back my comment in regards to you.  But as the OP seems to be conflating a single-payer health system with a program like SNAP and doesn't seem to recognize the rather obvious differences.. well forgive me, but I'm going to be skeptical until proven otherwise.  There are a litany of other inaccurate statements in this thread, and despite your comment that you think people on here know the difference, that has not been my experience- going back years, whenever health care comes up on Atlas, the level of discussion is quite... low.. e.g., I can count on one hand the number of times that someone here actually demonstrated that they knew there was a difference between single-payer and multi-payer (actually I can count it on one finger)… so I feel no reason to abandon my general skepticism.  But I did say "no one".. so I suppose replace that with "no one but GP270watch."  

 The American public has been brainwashed to believe that a national healthcare system would basically be "food stamps" or a handout. Never mind the fact that our government already spends more money per citizen than other countries that have competent universal healthcare coverage for everybody. The United States spends more money to cover less people, with worse results in many areas, and huge medical out of pocket expenses for the populace and insane debts for many who get sick or have accidents. Add to that the disgusting gaps in coverage depending on your state's politics, your race, gender, employment status, geographic location, chronic illness, age, etc and it's a woefully inadequate system.
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GP270watch
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2019, 03:50:46 PM »

This is the kind of crap the American public has been brainwashed with.




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