Sanders: It's Hillary's fault that the Russians helped me

[junior chįmp]

It's a shame Hillary won't stop dividing the Democratic Party

[junior chįmp]

It's a shame Hillary won't stop dividing the Democratic Party

In this case, Sanders is the one bringing it up though. Stop deflecting blame.

That's what Hillary's been doing since she lost

[junior chįmp]

It's a shame Hillary won't stop dividing the Democratic Party

In this case, Sanders is the one bringing it up though. Stop deflecting blame.

That's what Hillary's been doing since she lost

Sure, but Sanders still shouldn't bring up Clinton period unless she attacks him directly publicly. 

Why not...attacking the Clinton's endears you to Americans of all political stripe

[junior chįmp]

It's a shame Hillary won't stop dividing the Democratic Party

In this case, Sanders is the one bringing it up though. Stop deflecting blame.

That's what Hillary's been doing since she lost

Sure, but Sanders still shouldn't bring up Clinton period unless she attacks him directly publicly. 

Why not...attacking the Clinton's endears you to Americans of all political stripe

Because Clinton isn't relevant anymore.

We can only hope

[junior chįmp]

The Hillary Clinton-Bernie Sanders Democratic Party division needs to end.

Will it continue into 2020, 2024?

This may be worse than McCain-Romney 2008.

Hillary thinks she was owed the presidency twice. Good luck getting her to go away

[junior chįmp]

The Hillary Clinton-Bernie Sanders Democratic Party division needs to end.

Will it continue into 2020, 2024?

This may be worse than McCain-Romney 2008.

Hillary thinks she was owed the presidency twice. Good luck getting her to go away

I can't just put every post you make on this thread in the Lief Simple Truth thread, you know. 

Nothing unites Americans more during these trying times quite like the recognition that the Clintons will continue to divide America to cop a buck...or in Hillary's case, shilling for money to pay her husband's never ending sexual assault legal bills even decades on

[junior chįmp]

Thread title taken out of context per usual. "I did not know Russian bots were promoting my campaign." "The real question to be asked is" why the Clinton campaign didn't do something. Seems pretty reasonable to me, he's responding to all the Corporate Democrats attacking him for being a Russian spy basically.

Hillary did nothing because she thought she had it in the bag. The same reason Obama let Mitch McConnell cuck him from revealing that Russia was interfering in the Election: They all thought Hillary was going to win....so they did nothing. They only have themselves to blame.

So in other words....Democrats being weak as usual got rolled by Republicans yet again.

[junior chįmp]

The Hillary Clinton-Bernie Sanders Democratic Party division needs to end.

Will it continue into 2020, 2024?

This may be worse than McCain-Romney 2008.

Hillary thinks she was owed the presidency twice. Good luck getting her to go away

And that was of course her biggest undoing, wasn't it? If she showed some more sense of self-awarness, she would've actually be President right now.

I don't believe the Russian thing, although disturbing, decided the thing. Hillary lost due to a series of mistakes and miscalculations, not just one or two main scandals/screwups. A proverbial death by a thousand cuts. And even though if she did things a little better, she would've won.

It's very tempting to say "it was all because of the Russian bots", but it's only preventing the Democrats from learning and ensuring it won't happen again.

Hillary lost because she sucked. Look, if you come home to your wife having an affair....chances are your marriage sucked. If your wife was satisfied, she wouldnt of looked elsewhere. If Hillary was this great candidate the Dems tried to make her out to be...then half the Dem electorate wouldn't of looked elsewhere. If they were satisfied with Obama's mediocre leadership then they would of voted for Clinton in overwhelming margins and a guy like Sanders wouldn't of registered even 1% of the vote.

The problem with the Democratic Party is that they are an echo chamber worse than Republicans. They think certain subgroups owe them their vote and that's why they keep losing. They think elections come down to who has the wittiest campaign slogan or who has the longest, most boring policy position papers. The entire Democratic Party is staffed with stiffs who grew up in wealthy suburbs and had mommy and daddy pay their college tuition. These people can't understand why poor people vote Republican and are always looking for ways to fool them into voting Democrat using consultants. That's why they keep losing and will continue to keep losing

[junior chįmp]

Whenever a pundit says that there is no misogyny in American politics, I'll send him the link for this thread.

Also, LOL at all the Sanders cultists who are physically unable to admit that their leader made a gaffe.

There's plenty of mysoginy in American politics.... ask Joe Biden who helped Clarence Thomas get a seat on SCOTUS or ask Bill Clinton whose rap (rape) sheet for forcing oneself on women is longer than Bill Cosby's.

[junior chįmp]

Whenever a pundit says that there is no misogyny in American politics, I'll send him the link for this thread.

Also, LOL at all the Sanders cultists who are physically unable to admit that their leader made a gaffe.

There's plenty of mysoginy in American politics.... ask Joe Biden who helped Clarence Thomas get a seat on SCOTUS or ask Bill Clinton whose rap (rape) sheet for forcing oneself on women is longer than Bill Cosby's.

It seems you are suffering from jfernitis. Only instead of the Clintons your obsession involves Biden.

If you want more mediocrity in American politics....just keep voting for the Biden's and the Clintons. It's no surprise that the lowest voter turnout for a presidential election was Clinton 1996 and the lowest turnout for a midterm was Obama 2014. Keep it up

[junior chįmp]

Whenever a pundit says that there is no misogyny in American politics, I'll send him the link for this thread.

Also, LOL at all the Sanders cultists who are physically unable to admit that their leader made a gaffe.

There's plenty of mysoginy in American politics.... ask Joe Biden who helped Clarence Thomas get a seat on SCOTUS or ask Bill Clinton whose rap (rape) sheet for forcing oneself on women is longer than Bill Cosby's.

It seems you are suffering from jfernitis. Only instead of the Clintons your obsession involves Biden.

If you want more mediocrity in American politics....just keep voting for the Biden's and the Clintons. It's no surprise that the lowest voter turnout for a presidential election was Clinton 1996 and the lowest turnout for a midterm was Obama 2014. Keep it up

Yeah, let's try some excellency with Nina Turner and her latest pal, Denis Kucinich.

The only thing I can imagine being more embarrassing than Kucinich losing the OH Dem primary is Hillary Clinton losing the Federal GE to retarded game show host Donald Trump

[junior chįmp]

The only thing I can imagine being more embarrassing than Kucinich losing the OH Dem primary is Hillary Clinton losing the Federal GE to retarded game show host Donald Trump

That ...doesn't even make sense.

It's hard to criticize Bernie backed candidates when your own couldn't even win the general election against one of the worst candidates in history Donald Trump despite having demographics, the media, and everything on your side. Even Al Gore came closer in 2000

[junior chįmp]

The only thing I can imagine being more embarrassing than Kucinich losing the OH Dem primary is Hillary Clinton losing the Federal GE to retarded game show host Donald Trump

That ...doesn't even make sense.

It's hard to criticize Bernie backed candidates when your own couldn't even win the general election against one of the worst candidates in history Donald Trump despite having demographics, the media, and everything on your side. Even Al Gore came closer in 2000

Your God-King lost hands down to that terrible candidate.

She also lost to another nobody: Obama.

Think....she lost to a back guy with a Muslim name and then she almost barely put away a 75 year old Jewish Socialist who spent his 30s living in a shed.

That's how lousy Hillary was

[junior chįmp]

This thread sums up why Bernie shouldn't have said what he said. It's leading to a primary re-fighting.

That's actually an accurate summing up of how things run in the Democratic Party: Nobody say anything otherwise we'll lose. Unions should keep quiet, blacks should keep quiet, poor people should keep quiet, liberals should keep quiet , etc....

[junior chįmp]

This thread sums up why Bernie shouldn't have said what he said. It's leading to a primary re-fighting.

That's actually an accurate summing up of how things run in the Democratic Party: Nobody say anything otherwise we'll lose. Unions should keep quiet, blacks should keep quiet, poor people should keep quiet, liberals should keep quiet , etc....

It's one thing to disagree on policy; it's another thing to fight over which side was more electable in an election that already happened just because one former 2016 candidate mentioned another 2016 candidate.

I don't care for fighting about the electability of the 2016 election....but that's all that the Clinton mafia bring up...that was their entire argument of 2016: Hillary was the only electable candidate and everyone else was a fringe lunatic who would lose (including Trump)

They couldn't beat Obama, they could barely beat Sanders and they couldn't beat dumbass Trump....yet they still won't STFU about how Hillary and Establishment trash like Biden is what's electable in 2020.

These clowns don't know anything about electability or winning elections.

[junior chįmp]

It's a shame Hillary won't stop dividing the Democratic Party

In this case, Sanders is the one bringing it up though. Stop deflecting blame.

That's what Hillary's been doing since she lost

Sure, but Sanders still shouldn't bring up Clinton period unless she attacks him directly publicly.  

Why not...attacking the Clinton's endears you to Americans of all political stripe

You said that Clinton should stop dividing the party, then you said that it's fine to attack her since it endears you to Americans. You're not making any sense.
Again, I swear that people would do anything to demonize Hillary and paint her as literally Satan who's to blame for everything. It's ridiculous, and a shame that, for all her faults, the most successful woman ever in American politics is treated in that sexist manner.

The Clinton's are divisive just by their sheer existence. If they want to open their mouths, despite being despised by huge  swaths of the American electorate, then they should be attacked appropriately especially when they are so full of shít and hypocritical. America wants them gone. That's why they they keep losing and in Hillary's case lost twice.

The only reason it was "her turn" was because the Clinton's basically owned the DNC and because her pathetic husband, with this third way garbage, hollowed out the party to the point it was unelectable in 36 lower state legislatures so there was nobody within the party itself to run other than an old Jewish Socialist and Lincoln Chaffee.

Sanders does cleanup.
Which is strange since according to Mondale and the other bros he was absolutely correct and only the neoliberal shills thought his original statement was wrong.

Sanders is obviously wrong. He should learn to clean up like Hillary cleans up after her husband's never ending sexual assault escapades: character assassinate the victims, sue to victims, intimidate the victims, blame the victims. Or maybe Sanders should cover for Weaver the way Hillary covered for her sexually harrasing campaign staff (no, not Bill) and keep them employed while transferring them to another department. So much amazing leadership from the most successful woman in American politics.

Users on here need to understand that a muslim socialist (Obama) and a moderate neoliberal (Biden) have higher favorables than Bernie.

How mature. I don't believe this thread was about Biden or Obama.

Bernie favorability was brought up in comparison to Hillary. I'm just bringing up the fact that neoliberal Biden and socialist Obama have higher favorables than Bernie.

That favorably did them alot if good in 2010, 2014, and 2016. Democrats are so incompetitive, they can't even get elected at all in half the states. Democrats can't even get their voters to turnout. The party holds people like Obama and Clinton up as beacons of electability yet these people have caused turnout to drop to such abysmal levels that right wing nutcases have been getting elected all over the place for the last 2 decades. Hmmm... It's almost as if voters don't care for a politician if they don't do anything for them other then look good.

[junior chįmp]

I wonder how Bernie is gonna win in 2020 when his base is little more than increasingly delusional, rude, combative morons like Gen Mondale and jfern?

You guys are hilarious lecturing the rest of us on what it takes to win. Let's look at the pathetic record of your wing of the party after the 2016 election:

The GOP has control of:

37 State Senates
31 State Houses
36 Governorships
Lost the House
Lost the Senate
Lost the SCOTUS
Lost the executive to the worst candidate in history Donald Trump

Now despite sucking so much ass with such a pathetic record...the Clinton wing of the party still keeps insisting that, in fact, they are the electable ones and they know what it takes to win elections.

You guys ought to thank Trump he won in 2016 because as bad as all those stats are that I posted above, if would actually BE WORSE HAD HILLARY WON. So before you laugh at Bernie backed candidates like Quist losing, just remember that Hillary lost to Donald J Trump. If any single loss in political history points more to the un-electability of a party and its predominant wing then its the ''inevitable''Hillary losing to retarded game show host Donald Trump.

[junior chįmp]

I wonder how Bernie is gonna win in 2020 when his base is little more than increasingly delusional, rude, combative morons like Gen Mondale and jfern?

Why do you think he's divisive when he's the most popular politician (Joe Biden doesn't count as politician if you ask me) in the country? I'm genuinely curious.

For the Democratic Party, anyone who simply points out their sorry record is branded as divisive. A large part of that is because the Democratic Party is made up of elite stiffs who are more concerned with getting promoted within the party than legislating anything of substance. So when someone comes along and points out the Democratic party's sorry record, the people within the party hoping to get promoted, have to fight back and claim they are being divisive. For example:

In 2004, Democrats sued Ralph Nader to keep him off the ballot in several states because the pathetic centrist wing of the party was worried they might lose to Bush. They lost anyway despite Kerry leading up until the last 2-3 months.

In 2000, Democrats blamed SCOTUS and Ralph Nader for losing despite the fact that 12% of Florida Democrats (over 200,000 people) voted for Republican George Bush.

Democrats complain about the Iraq War but they voted for it. Democrats complain about the giant national debt but they voted for the Bush tax cuts. Democrats complain about the Conservative SCOTUS but they voted in Alito and Roberts. The Democrats just dont want to face the reality that as terrible as the Republican party has become, they themselves are so low energy that they lose to these people.

The Democratic party is always blaming others and they just cant face the music that the public doesn't want what they are selling. So instead the party wags their finger at the voting public and scolds their own base, but the proof is in the pudding: just look at the Democratic party's abysmal turnout numbers. Nobody bothers to turnout or vote or participate in anything. Things have gotten so bad that ordinary people have had to take it upon themselves and run for office because the Democratic Party sucks so much ass and has failed to recruit from within or properly train a new generation of leaders. Only Trump's victory did that.

[junior chįmp]

We should desire newer faces in the Dem primary, ala Harris, Kander (hopefully he can win one day), Duckworth, Cortez-Masto, Booker, etc. I wish the Dem party would go in a social democratic/laborist direction, but Bernie Sanders is a whiny, divisive, and self-centered politician who would do more harm than good.

Like I understand why one could think he's whiny and self-centered given what his campaign was like towards the end (although I'd argue he's been very cooperative in Congress), but not sure who he's divisive.

Well it's really quite simple: There is a culture of avoiding responsibility within the Democratic Party on par with the Republicans. Because the fish rots from the head down, that seeps into their voting base who view voters as obstacles and not people with legitimate grievances.

The Sanders "movement" started from a disatisfaction within the political system. From a sorry opposition party known as the Democratic Party that only managed to muster up a 33% turnout rate in 2014 midterm. Just as the Civil Rights movement strung up from people disatisfied with the snail's pace of civil rights legislation in this country. Same with the labor unions movement, feminist movement, gay rights movement. All of these movements were viewed as divisive and selfish but they didn't come up for pointless reasons. Someone somewhere is tired of the status quo so they organize and disrupt things. Of course If your okay with the status quo then you view these people as troublemakers and menaces.

The Clinton gang act like we live in a fiefdom and the voters are lowly serfs who owe their votes to yass Queen. Whenever Democrats lose against people they view as hick's or simpletons, they immediately look for ways to avoid taking responsibility for their loss. They are so embarrassed that their genius Ivy league educated candidates lost to people they view as idiots. It just eats them up inside. It just can't be that maybe, just maybe, they suck ass. Nope! It's Ralph Nader, SCOTUS, Bush, the Tea Party, Bernie Sanders, Monica Lewinsky, the "vast right wing conspiracy," Fox News, Ralph Nader again, male news anchors, Trey Goudy, the Russians, Facebook, Social Media, her emails, rednecks, WWC voters, did I mention Ralph Nader?, Eastern Pennsylvania, Shelby vs Holder (even though it didn't apply to the Blue wall states),etc...

Hillary ought to thank Sanders supporters. They weren't anywhere near as ruthless as Hillary was with Obama in 2008 or with her husband's accusers for example. A higher percentage of Sanders supporters turned out for Hillary than Hillary supporters did for Obama in 2008. Sanders did rallies for her, cut campaign ads for her, told his voters to vote for her but as it always is with the mafioso Clinton cabal, its never enough. No amount of marketing, campaign rallies, consultants, or billions of "donations" from corporations could sell such a lousy candidate.