Karen Pence returns to teaching at anti-LBGTQ school

[Calthrina950]

Lots of words

First of all, it's dishonest to say that you're just doing what God said. Don't put the responsibility of all your words on Jesus, it's cowardly and doesn't make you a saint. It still makes you a person who supports denying innocent children entry to a school just because of what they are.

NOWHERE in the scripture does it specifically say that gays shouldn't be allowed to Christian school. It does say that gays should be stoned to death, though. Will you act on that? I'm waiting.

If you ask me what I'd have you did as a devout Christian- do what most devout Christians today do. Don't compare homosexuals to nazis. Don't support outright and gross discrimination and abuse of children. Ideally, also don't oppose equal civil rights for us, our judgement will be in heaven.

Of course, if God is truly just, he'll not punish us for what we are. He'll punish those who hate us for that. If he will punish me for that... Well, I won't say what I think about Him. That would be blasphemy.

It's amazing how some people on here seem to think that one must be fully in line with "who they are", to be in favor on here. Personally, I've come to accept gay marriage, and I wouldn't support reversing the legal status quo on the matter. But there is a sharp distinction that must be drawn between supporting this institution legally and compelling others to support it morally. It seems to be your belief, and the belief of others on here, that one who does not toe the line on these kinds of issues and who disapproves of them due to sincere religious objections, is one who should be shamed and scorned. That is stepping over the line.

Moreover, no one was comparing the existence of gay people to Nazis. The example of Stormfront was merely used as an example of the kinds of behaviors that no institutions should be compelled to tolerate.

[Calthrina950]

Being gay isn’t about having sex, you self-righteous door stop.

How does it affect me that “in the privacy of your own home” you spout bullsh-t about gay folks being “less than?” That I need make it clear to you how your internal biases would end up affecting your actions and the environments with which you interact is a huge mark of your blindness and—yes indeed, I’ll say it!—your straight privilege. I’ll let you ponder it some more.

As for what I would have you do when your religion seems plain as day about its views on gay people? Well, that’s an easy one! Use your own f-cking brain, look past the dogma, realize that regarding a whole category of people as “less than” for no damn reason is a manifestation of hatred, and denounce your stupid religion, or at the very least denounce the tenets of it that preach and encourage discrimination. Why do that, when you “truly believe?” Because what your “word of God” says is wrong and harmful. It should not take that much brainpower to realize, though I guess it’s easier to let God think for you, isn’t it?

Anyhow, yes. You should be ashamed, and I will not stop being a thorn in the side of people like you until you realize you’re wrong. Not gonna happen, you say? Then I guess I’ll see you in hell. I respect your rights as a human being. But, for good reason, I have no respect for who you are. To you, by virtue of nothing more than who I love, I am unworthy. I don’t need to put up with that. And so that others won’t have to, there’s no way I’m going to let it go unchecked, either. That’s why we need a “pro-LGBT agenda” in school. You people do damage, and it’s no longer okay.

So I guess you approve of having drag queens tell "story time" to small children, and having them taught about these sorts of things. That seems to be out of line.

[Calthrina950]

Take your strawmen somewhere else.

Is this all you have? Of course it is, considering who you are....

[Calthrina950]

Take your strawmen somewhere else.

Is this all you have? Of course it is, considering who you are....

Do you have anything yourself to offer other than that personal attack on Hagrid? If not, FYI that's something of a concession that he's right.

Tick tock tick tock....

I already made my points above. And given that I've been savaged with far worse, what I said was mild by comparison.

[Calthrina950]

So I guess you approve of having drag queens tell "story time" to small children, and having them taught about these sorts of things. That seems to be out of line.

Are you homophobic, Calthrina?

What? No. But I think a line needs to be drawn between what is acceptable and what is not.

[Calthrina950]

I'm not going to say that the Bible condones homosexual activity. Because it doesn't.  Scripture says what it says, and if I'm dissonance in the Echo Chamber, so be it.   

In 20-30 years, when your denomination sanctions gay marriage and even your particular church building performs them, you'll find some contrivance for how you were never actually wrong and the church isn't now either. Maybe a long string of paragraphs about how Muslims were always worse to the gays or something.

I know very little about Pentecostals, so I have no idea if there is a powerful pro-LGBT movement within that denomination.  However, I have little doubt that in 20-30 years Bible believing Christians will be very unpopular.  Anyone who still identifies as such won't care about social pressure at that point I think.

What is it with homophobes and thinking that  the only reason we want them to change is "social pressure"? It's because accepting LGBT people is the morally right thing to do, not because it's hip or trendy.

I'm not afraid of LGBT people at all.  But it's quite obvious that support for SSM within Christianity, Judaism, and Islam is due to social pressure.

Wrong again. The Episcopals and ELCA (and other smaller denominations) decided to affirm LGBTQ equality because their own members believed in it, and it had nothing to do with "social pressure."

Similarly, when your denomination decides to do so at some point in the first half of the 21st century, it will because the leadership honestly believes in it, not because of "social pressure."

I wonder when the Catholic Church will give in. Probably in the latter half of this century. It will be interesting to see how churches pair their support for gay marriage with contradictory passages in the New Testament.

[Calthrina950]

It's hard to tell if the Catholic Church will ever give in. In fact, viewpoints on the LGBT community may reverse in the future but not anytime soon.

I would agree that it is not a guaranteed thing, but given the pace of social change, I wouldn't be surprised if it does end up happening. It's possible that if they don't, they might come under pressure from under quarters, and be denounced as a "bigoted" and "outdated" institution.

[Calthrina950]

It's hard to tell if the Catholic Church will ever give in. In fact, viewpoints on the LGBT community may reverse in the future but not anytime soon.

I would agree that it is not a guaranteed thing, but given the pace of social change, I wouldn't be surprised if it does end up happening. It's possible that if they don't, they might come under pressure from under quarters, and be denounced as a "bigoted" and "outdated" institution.

I strongly agree with you. Much of this LGBT movement is the social pressure of acceptance. No other identity politics movement has made so many changes in such a short amount of time. Viewpoints that were mainstream in 2012 are now viewed as hateful, bigoted, and backwards.

You're right about that as well. The amount of change that has taken place on this issue over the past ten years is astounding. Some thought that gay marriage would be legalized gradually, and would not become a nationwide practice until the last quarter of this century. But it came much faster than that. I've come to accept the legal status quo, but I oppose any effort to attack people because they don't personally agree with the practice.

[Calthrina950]

She’s trash. I am so grateful I left behind religion and all of its toxicity. I refuse to debate FACTS with these religious zealot lunatics.

Posts like this lead me to believe that Stacey Abrams' loss was a good thing.  She's a candidate that I had hoped would win, but imagining her Administration being populated by folks with your worldview is hardly a comforting thought.

It’s very weird that you’re glad the Governor who would have expanded access to healthcare to 500,000 Georgians lost because of a random post on the Internet. I’m intrigued that I have so much power over you.

Your arrogance is your weakness.

[Calthrina950]

She’s trash. I am so grateful I left behind religion and all of its toxicity. I refuse to debate FACTS with these religious zealot lunatics.

Posts like this lead me to believe that Stacey Abrams' loss was a good thing.  She's a candidate that I had hoped would win, but imagining her Administration being populated by folks with your worldview is hardly a comforting thought.

It’s very weird that you’re glad the Governor who would have expanded access to healthcare to 500,000 Georgians lost because of a random post on the Internet. I’m intrigued that I have so much power over you.

I cannot believe that you consider that I, or persons like me, have legitimate issues that government ought to address.  I believe that because I present as a white, Christian, non-liberal (not always conservative, however), you would dismiss my petitions/grievances, regardless of the merits.  If you worked for Abrams, you'd filter the information to her.  If Abrams hired you, she'd know what you were about.

I judge candidates in part by their campaign help.  Those people are likely the people who will populate their administration.

Come on fuzzy. Surely you would agree that it is unfair to judge a grubenatutorial candidate whose Statewide campaign had literally tens of thousands of campaign workers like RFK fan, that your disagreement with one of them it's a worthy basis to judge? I'm not taking sides in this dispute, but surely would agree this isn't like RFK was going to be in Abrams cabinet, or even I assume getting some third-tier internship if she won.

You would judge Trump by that standard.  

You just judged a whole group of school students by the hats that some of them wore, and supported lies and misrepresentations about their conduct.  Stacy Abrams can bear the baggage of RFKfan68.

You are factually wrong on all three of your attempted points. First, I judge Trump by Trump. The fact that they were hurt people on this for who I consider absolute dipsh**tz would not keep me from supporting say Sanders or certain other Democrats just because they do as well.

Second, I'm really disappointed, and frankly a little offended that what you stated about my judging the Covington Clan kids and for what reasons. It's like you didn't read a single damn post I'm a on the subject even though I made the same points over and over and over and over and over again. When people say conservatives don't listen, responses like this tend to prove them right. I similarly judge them by their conduct, or rather misconduct, which I saw with my own two eyes and heard with my own two ears, and nothing else. You are creating strawman just like when you claimed that there were people reluctant to criticize the Black Hebrew Israelites, when in fact those individuals simply do not just exist, either on the form, or is best I can tell elsewhere in the world.

Third, for the reasons stated above, judging a candidate for governor of the 12th largest state in the country are the statements of one of literally tens of thousands of campaign workers is ridiculous. Well that might make you justifiably think less of Abraham's on the whole the company you keep, making that a veto consideration for supporting her is, well, frankly the side of being triggered a little like RFK fan needled you about. You know that's silly.

This entire paragraph defies reason. You jumped down upon those schoolboys as if they were equivalent to Hitler or the KKK, and pushed that continuously across dozens of posts, through some twenty pages of content. For you to claim now that you were treating the situation based only upon "what you saw", and not upon your own biases, is absurd. Hence, when someone says that you would judge Trump based upon similarly hypocritical standards, they are correct. Moreover, your claim that "conservatives don't listen" is also a falsehood. There are people on both ends of the ideological spectrum who are capable of engaging in orderly debate, and who can change their minds if they feel that they were wrong previously.

[Calthrina950]

She’s trash. I am so grateful I left behind religion and all of its toxicity. I refuse to debate FACTS with these religious zealot lunatics.

Posts like this lead me to believe that Stacey Abrams' loss was a good thing.  She's a candidate that I had hoped would win, but imagining her Administration being populated by folks with your worldview is hardly a comforting thought.

It’s very weird that you’re glad the Governor who would have expanded access to healthcare to 500,000 Georgians lost because of a random post on the Internet. I’m intrigued that I have so much power over you.

I cannot believe that you consider that I, or persons like me, have legitimate issues that government ought to address.  I believe that because I present as a white, Christian, non-liberal (not always conservative, however), you would dismiss my petitions/grievances, regardless of the merits.  If you worked for Abrams, you'd filter the information to her.  If Abrams hired you, she'd know what you were about.

I judge candidates in part by their campaign help.  Those people are likely the people who will populate their administration.

Come on fuzzy. Surely you would agree that it is unfair to judge a grubenatutorial candidate whose Statewide campaign had literally tens of thousands of campaign workers like RFK fan, that your disagreement with one of them it's a worthy basis to judge? I'm not taking sides in this dispute, but surely would agree this isn't like RFK was going to be in Abrams cabinet, or even I assume getting some third-tier internship if she won.

You would judge Trump by that standard. 

You just judged a whole group of school students by the hats that some of them wore, and supported lies and misrepresentations about their conduct.  Stacy Abrams can bear the baggage of RFKfan68.

You are factually wrong on all three of your attempted points. First, I judge Trump by Trump. The fact that they were hurt people on this for who I consider absolute dipsh**tz would not keep me from supporting say Sanders or certain other Democrats just because they do as well.

Second, I'm really disappointed, and frankly a little offended that what you stated about my judging the Covington Clan kids and for what reasons. It's like you didn't read a single damn post I'm a on the subject even though I made the same points over and over and over and over and over again. When people say conservatives don't listen, responses like this tend to prove them right. I similarly judge them by their conduct, or rather misconduct, which I saw with my own two eyes and heard with my own two ears, and nothing else. You are creating strawman just like when you claimed that there were people reluctant to criticize the Black Hebrew Israelites, when in fact those individuals simply do not just exist, either on the form, or is best I can tell elsewhere in the world.

Third, for the reasons stated above, judging a candidate for governor of the 12th largest state in the country are the statements of one of literally tens of thousands of campaign workers is ridiculous. Well that might make you justifiably think less of Abraham's on the whole the company you keep, making that a veto consideration for supporting her is, well, frankly the side of being triggered a little like RFK fan needled you about. You know that's silly.

This entire paragraph defies reason. You jumped down upon those schoolboys as if they were equivalent to Hitler or the KKK, and pushed that continuously across dozens of posts, through some twenty pages of content. For you to claim now that you were treating the situation based only upon "what you saw", and not upon your own biases, is absurd. Hence, when someone says that you would judge Trump based upon similarly hypocritical standards, they are correct. Moreover, your claim that "conservatives don't listen" is also a falsehood. There are people on both ends of the ideological spectrum who are capable of engaging in orderly debate, and who can change their minds if they feel that they were wrong previously.

Um, no? Are you aware that literally everything you just typed is factually incorrect?

And for the record, my biggest objection has never been the racist students. It's with the grown adults adamantly defending Behavior they themselves at least should be old enough to recognize as unacceptable in society today, and rightly so.

Deny all that you want, but your words speak for themselves. And now you're deflecting by claiming the "adults" were at fault, when it was plain that you were bashing the students directly for their actions.

[Calthrina950]

She’s trash. I am so grateful I left behind religion and all of its toxicity. I refuse to debate FACTS with these religious zealot lunatics.

Posts like this lead me to believe that Stacey Abrams' loss was a good thing.  She's a candidate that I had hoped would win, but imagining her Administration being populated by folks with your worldview is hardly a comforting thought.

It’s very weird that you’re glad the Governor who would have expanded access to healthcare to 500,000 Georgians lost because of a random post on the Internet. I’m intrigued that I have so much power over you.

I cannot believe that you consider that I, or persons like me, have legitimate issues that government ought to address.  I believe that because I present as a white, Christian, non-liberal (not always conservative, however), you would dismiss my petitions/grievances, regardless of the merits.  If you worked for Abrams, you'd filter the information to her.  If Abrams hired you, she'd know what you were about.

I judge candidates in part by their campaign help.  Those people are likely the people who will populate their administration.

Come on fuzzy. Surely you would agree that it is unfair to judge a grubenatutorial candidate whose Statewide campaign had literally tens of thousands of campaign workers like RFK fan, that your disagreement with one of them it's a worthy basis to judge? I'm not taking sides in this dispute, but surely would agree this isn't like RFK was going to be in Abrams cabinet, or even I assume getting some third-tier internship if she won.

You would judge Trump by that standard. 

You just judged a whole group of school students by the hats that some of them wore, and supported lies and misrepresentations about their conduct.  Stacy Abrams can bear the baggage of RFKfan68.

You are factually wrong on all three of your attempted points. First, I judge Trump by Trump. The fact that they were hurt people on this for who I consider absolute dipsh**tz would not keep me from supporting say Sanders or certain other Democrats just because they do as well.

Second, I'm really disappointed, and frankly a little offended that what you stated about my judging the Covington Clan kids and for what reasons. It's like you didn't read a single damn post I'm a on the subject even though I made the same points over and over and over and over and over again. When people say conservatives don't listen, responses like this tend to prove them right. I similarly judge them by their conduct, or rather misconduct, which I saw with my own two eyes and heard with my own two ears, and nothing else. You are creating strawman just like when you claimed that there were people reluctant to criticize the Black Hebrew Israelites, when in fact those individuals simply do not just exist, either on the form, or is best I can tell elsewhere in the world.

Third, for the reasons stated above, judging a candidate for governor of the 12th largest state in the country are the statements of one of literally tens of thousands of campaign workers is ridiculous. Well that might make you justifiably think less of Abraham's on the whole the company you keep, making that a veto consideration for supporting her is, well, frankly the side of being triggered a little like RFK fan needled you about. You know that's silly.

This entire paragraph defies reason. You jumped down upon those schoolboys as if they were equivalent to Hitler or the KKK, and pushed that continuously across dozens of posts, through some twenty pages of content. For you to claim now that you were treating the situation based only upon "what you saw", and not upon your own biases, is absurd. Hence, when someone says that you would judge Trump based upon similarly hypocritical standards, they are correct. Moreover, your claim that "conservatives don't listen" is also a falsehood. There are people on both ends of the ideological spectrum who are capable of engaging in orderly debate, and who can change their minds if they feel that they were wrong previously.

Um, no? Are you aware that literally everything you just typed is factually incorrect?

And for the record, my biggest objection has never been the racist students. It's with the grown adults adamantly defending Behavior they themselves at least should be old enough to recognize as unacceptable in society today, and rightly so.

Deny all that you want, but your words speak for themselves. And now you're deflecting by claiming the "adults" were at fault, when it was plain that you were bashing the students directly for their actions.

Pretty evidence lacking post you just put there. So yes, my words do speak for themselves. Your complete inability to comprehend them outside of your own chronic narrative is you being you.

And let's make it clear. Of course I've always, and probably continue to condemned those racist misogynistic privileged little s**** for their protest misbehavior. However, I will be equally say that I am more bothered by adults acrostic right-wing Spectrum rally round idiot Boys in pure racial solidarity, and in doing so have a great family minimized where is an outright denied what it means to be racist.

So now you're blaming both the kids and the adults? That is something. And I perfectly understand what you have argued, and what you stand for. And your viewpoints are ones that I strongly disagree with. Moreover, why do you indulge so freely in the use of profanity? Is there no other way for you to articulate your thoughts, except to use foul language every other sentence? I would hope so.