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Question: Are you a compatibilist, hard determinist, or libertarian?
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TheSaint250
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« on: October 25, 2017, 02:21:47 PM »

I've actually been thinking a lot about free will.  I am of the belief that God knows everything that will happen and when it will happen.  We can do what we choose, yes, but God has essentially led us to do things a certain way. 

It's been leading me to think in a kind of existentialist way: Do we really having truly free will?

Could someone help make this a little clearer for me?
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TheSaint250
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2017, 10:05:22 PM »

I've actually been thinking a lot about free will.  I am of the belief that God knows everything that will happen and when it will happen.  We can do what we choose, yes, but God has essentially led us to do things a certain way. 

It's been leading me to think in a kind of existentialist way: Do we really having truly free will?

Could someone help make this a little clearer for me?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand your post, you think God determines our choices because He is omniscient and so created us knowing what choices we would make. At the same time, you seem to believe we do make genuine choices. It sounds to me like you're a compatibilist. Unless you want to claim the choices we make are not free.

I might push back on the first part though. I'm not sure if God's foreknowledge necessarily entails determinism, and if it's true that foreknowledge does not entail determinism, I suspect it would then be possible for God to have created free agents without determining their every decision–while at the same time knowing what said decisions would be.

Maybe in that case you could say God determines our behaviors in a negative sense by not interfering with our decisions to the point that he is the real decider. I guess that would be analogous to the distinction between His permissive will (as opposed to His active will).

This seems to clarify things.  Thank you.

I should really spend more time on this part of the forum.  It's a nice change from all of the bickering Smiley
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