Argentina's Presidents Survivor - our survivor ALFONSIN prevails over Frondizi !

[big bad fab]

Rawson

Molina Gomez

Of course, you may argue they shouldn't have been in the list, but they were REAL, even if very short, presidents.

[big bad fab]

Rawson

Molina Gomez

Of course, you may argue they shouldn't have been in the list, but they were REAL, even if very short, presidents.

But i guess then you should have included Puerta and Camaño who were presidents for a day more or less
By the way, don't take my criticism the wrong way fab, you are doing a wonderful job, especially considering you have been ill



The temptation of eliminating Guido is more powerful than the temptation of eliminating the caretakers. Let's have a compromise

Guido
Molina Gomez


The piece of crap of Agustín Pedro Justo should be eliminated soon too.


To be honest, before this started, i was worried that Peron was going to be ousted in the first rounds or some other crazy sh**t, cause of the bad reputation he has in the US, but i'm glad that while few, every voter here actually thinks when they vote

We try to !

[big bad fab]

     Agustín Pedro Justo & Arturo Rawson. I figure I'll lay off Sarmiento for a while.

Not very successful, eh ?
Well, sorry, but, as for me, I don't really understand why you want to oust him so soon.

[big bad fab]

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND NINE IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.

[big bad fab]

It was impossible to find any photo of the great presidente Molina Gomez... So you've got Manuel Belgrano and the national flag...

A 3-way tie between Guido, Rawson and Justo, fine !

And, Edu, for Puerta and Camano, apart from the fact you didn't want them (), they were only acting ones. Molina Gomez and Rawson were real ones, even if short-lived.
But, sure, at a point, choices are a bit arbitrary.

For this round, I vote for
Rawson and Pedernera.

Just to have some suspense, because I acknowledge Justo should go, now or very soon.

[big bad fab]

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND TEN IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.

[big bad fab]

Pedernera

Lastiri

(P2 member ! I didn't know it...)

[big bad fab]

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1
Round ten: Urquiza 5, Lastiri 4, Pedernera 2, Lonardi 1

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND ELEVEN IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.

[big bad fab]

Pedernera

Juarez Celman

[big bad fab]

Haha, wide open now !

[big bad fab]

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1
Round ten: Urquiza 5, Lastiri 4, Pedernera 2, Lonardi 1
Round eleven: Bignone 4, Pedernera 3 (3 in previous rounds), Lonardi 3 (1 in previous rounds), Juarez Celman 1, Quintana 1

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND TWELVE IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.

[big bad fab]

Sorry for the week-end interruption.
Each week-end, priority to my family, but, this one, moreover, I've got many problems of Internet connection.

As for me:

Juarez Celman, again

and Campora: I don't vote for Péron, but I can't stand the mediocre peronists of this sort...

[big bad fab]

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results:
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1
Round ten: Urquiza 5, Lastiri 4, Pedernera 2, Lonardi 1
Round eleven: Bignone 4, Pedernera 3 (3 in previous rounds), Lonardi 3 (1 in previous rounds), Juarez Celman 1, Quintana 1
Round twelve: Juarez Celman 5, Lonardi 4, Quintana 1, Campora 1, Castillo 1

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND THIRTEEN IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.

[big bad fab]

Time to be half nuclear...

Hector José Campora

Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner

I can't bear her (I can't say it's personal, of course, but...) and it seems to be worse and worse: every peso seems to have to be put in the "Kirchners hole" !

[big bad fab]

Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner

I can't bear her (I can't say it's personal, of course, but...) and it seems to be worse and worse: every peso seems to have to be put in the "Kirchners hole" !

WTF? Kirchner? before Quintana, Figueroa Alcorta, Uriburu, Luis Saenz Peña, Castillo, Menem, De la Rua, Rodriguez Saa and Duhalde? Are you trying to get revenge on the eliminations of De Gaulle?


Manuel Quintana (for the reasons i stated before)
Hector José Campora (I never really liked him and i think his time to go is coming soon [though not neccesarily now], but I'll throw a bone to fab and see if he lays off Kirchner for a while )

Well, a reference to de Gaulle when talking about Cristina would make me vote for her until I die... but I've noticed the !

Considering my Kirchner vote might have prompted Gully's Menem vote, I'm almost certain not to vote for her again for the next 5 rounds... I don't want to have this big fight before some rounds.
And it was a try...

And remember that I prefer real historic personalities, even if bad, than dull current ones...
I prefer Beria than Putin.
I prefer Clemenceau than Fillon.
I prefer Churchill than Kenneth Clarke.
I prefer Vargas than Lula.
I prefer Deng Xiaoping than... Wen Jiabao.
There are some limits, of course

[big bad fab]

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1
Round ten: Urquiza 5, Lastiri 4, Pedernera 2, Lonardi 1
Round eleven: Bignone 4, Pedernera 3 (3 in previous rounds), Lonardi 3 (1 in previous rounds), Juarez Celman 1, Quintana 1
Round twelve: Juarez Celman 5, Lonardi 4, Quintana 1, Campora 1, Castillo 1
Round thirteen: Campora 4, Quintana 3, Castillo 1, C. Kirchner 1, Menem 1

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND FOURTEEN IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.

[big bad fab]

Balcarce

Figueroa Alcorta

[big bad fab]

Considering my Kirchner vote might have prompted Gully's Menem vote, I'm almost certain not to vote for her again for the next 5 rounds... I don't want to have this big fight before some rounds.
And it was a try...

Oh man, please don't tell me you are going to defend Menem in later stages, it's probably not his time yet, but it's getting dangerously close


José Figueroa Alcorta
José Evaristo Uriburu

I don't like Menem at all, don't worry, but I prefer him to the Kirchners, who are destroying, step by step, the recovery Argentina managed to reach.
If Menem is ousted, the Kirchners should go too.

I just don't like the bias in the US and in some of European countries against every South American politician who is or seems to be on the right and in favour of any "progressive" however inefficient, dull, corrupt, stupid, dangerous or anything else (s)he is...

[big bad fab]

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1
Round ten: Urquiza 5, Lastiri 4, Pedernera 2, Lonardi 1
Round eleven: Bignone 4, Pedernera 3 (3 in previous rounds), Lonardi 3 (1 in previous rounds), Juarez Celman 1, Quintana 1
Round twelve: Juarez Celman 5, Lonardi 4, Quintana 1, Campora 1, Castillo 1
Round thirteen: Campora 4, Quintana 3, Castillo 1, C. Kirchner 1, Menem 1
Round fourteen: J.E. Uriburu 4, Balcarce 2 (0 in previous rounds+Caudillo's decision), Figueroa Alcorta 2 (0 in previous rounds), Castillo 1, Menem 1, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Lopez y Planes 1

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND FIFTEEN IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.

[big bad fab]

I don't like it but I've used my dictatorial power to break a tie between Balcarce and Figueroa Alcorta (for both of whom I've myself voted !).

I've eliminated Balcarce to be coherent with the early elimination of Rosas in this survivor. Anyway, Figueroa Alcorta may well fall soon...

For this round, my vote is:

Figueroa Alcorta
Lopez y Planes

[big bad fab]

Well, who says the survivors aren't interesting ?

Thanks, Edu, for all those information.
I must say that your "everyday" examples of Argentina's political (and general) life are really interesting and useful.

Let's say that, of course, my knowledge of Argentina's politics reaches very quickly its limits.
Let's says also that Menem has already faded a bit in outside memories and one tends to judge more kindly the past... You remind us of many misdeeds I must acknowledge I haven't in memory any longer... Good point, in general and for this survivor !
Let's say that, as I've said, I prefer Beria than Putin, which says something of what I think about Menem.
Let's say that, of course, Nestor deserves to stay longer than Cristina.
Let's say that, when talking about "progressive" bias, I wasn't referring to you, as I've always noticed your sense of moderateness and fairness. I was mostly referring to French medias (and French vulgate), which are so biased and stupid on many foreign countries, but especially on South American ones.

Let's say that Menem is interesting "historically", as an object of history if you want, as he put (or tried to put) the old Peronism to the dustbin... that's because I'm more interested in him than in the Kirchners.
A bit like Andropov was more interesting than, say, Eltsin (although Eltsin was roughly democratic and Andropov remained an old style apparatchik despite some "reformist" ideas).

Oh, and I've read ALL your post
I urge everybody to read it: it's in better English than my own posts, so very easy to read...

BTW, I'm proud that this survivor is the first opportunity for you to cut a post !

[big bad fab]

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1
Round ten: Urquiza 5, Lastiri 4, Pedernera 2, Lonardi 1
Round eleven: Bignone 4, Pedernera 3 (3 in previous rounds), Lonardi 3 (1 in previous rounds), Juarez Celman 1, Quintana 1
Round twelve: Juarez Celman 5, Lonardi 4, Quintana 1, Campora 1, Castillo 1
Round thirteen: Campora 4, Quintana 3, Castillo 1, C. Kirchner 1, Menem 1
Round fourteen: J.E. Uriburu 4, Balcarce 2 (0 in previous rounds+Caudillo's decision), Figueroa Alcorta 2 (0 in previous rounds), Castillo 1, Menem 1, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Lopez y Planes 1
Round fifteen: Figueroa Alcorta 4, Lopez y Planes 4, Castillo 2, Menem 1, Maza 1

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND SIXTEEN IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.

[big bad fab]

Manuel Vicente Maza

Adolfo Rodriguez Saa

Why Ramon Castillo should go now? Granted, we're already in round 16, but I'm not sure.

And, guys, don't forget to read Edu's big posts, before the post on results of round 15.

[big bad fab]

1. Bernardino Rivadavia (1826-1827)
2. Vicente López y Planes (1827)
3. Manuel Dorrego (1827-1828)
4. Juan Lavalle (1828-1829)
5. Juan José Viamonte (1829, 1833-1834)
6. Juan Manuel de Rosas (1829-1832, 1835-1852)
7. Juan Ramón Balcarce (1832-1833)
8. Manuel Vicente Maza (1834-1835)
9. Justo José de Urquiza (1852-1860)
10. Santiago Derqui (1860-1861)
11. Juan Esteban Pedernera (1861)
12. Bartolomé Mitre (1862-1868)
13. Domingo Faustino Sarmiento (1868-1874)
14. Nicolás Avellaneda (1874-1880)
15. Julio Argentino Roca (1880-1886, 1898-1904)
16. Miguel Juárez Celman (1886-1890)
17. Carlos Pellegrini (1890-1892)
18. Luis Sáenz Peña (1892-1895)
19. José Evaristo Uriburu (1895-1898)
20. Manuel Quintana (1904-1906)
21. José Figueroa Alcorta (1906-1910)
22. Roque Sáenz Peña (1910-1914)
23. Victorino de la Plaza (1914-1916)
24. Hipólito Yrigoyen (1916-1922, 1928-1930)
25. Marcelo Torcuato de Alvear (1922-1928)
26. José Félix Uriburu (1930-1932)
27. Agustín Pedro Justo (1932-1938)
28. Roberto María Ortiz (1938-1942)
29. Ramón Castillo (1942-1943)
30. Arturo Rawson (1943)
31. Pedro Pablo Ramírez (1943-1944)
32. Edelmiro Julián Farrell (1944-1946)
33. Juan Domingo Perón (1946-1955, 1973-1974)
34. José Domingo Molina Gómez (1955)
35. Eduardo Lonardi (1955)
36. Pedro Eugenio Aramburu (1955-1958)
37. Arturo Frondizi (1958-1962)
38. José Maria Guido (1962-1963)
39. Arturo Umberto Illia (1963-1966)
40. Juan Carlos Onganía (1966-1970)
41. Roberto Levingston (1970-1971)
42. Alejandro Lanusse (1971-1973)
43. Héctor José Campora (1973)
44. Raúl Alberto Lastiri (1973)
45. Isabel Perón (1974-1976)
46. Jorge Rafael Videla (1976-1980)
47. Roberto Eduardo Viola (1980-1981)
48. Leopoldo Galtieri (1981-1982)
49. Reynaldo Bignone (1982-1983)
50. Raúl Alfonsín (1983-1989)
51. Carlos Menem (1989-1999)
52. Fernando de la Rúa (1999-2001)
53. Adolfo Rodríguez Saá (2001)
54. Eduardo Duhalde (2002-2003)
55. Néstor Kirchner (2003-2007)
56. Cristina Fernández de Kirchner (2007-…)

Results
Round one: Videla 7, J.F. Uriburu 4, Viola 2, Aramburu 1, Rosas 1, Menem 1
Round two: Aramburu 4, Rosas 4, Viola 2, Ongania 1, Roca 1
Round three: Roca 3, Viola 3, Ongania 2, Lavalle 2, Sarmiento 1, Mitre 1, Galtieri 1, Bignone 1
Round four: Ongania 5, Lavalle 2 (2 in previous rounds), Isabel Peron 2 (0 in previous rounds), Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1
Round five: Isabel Peron 5, Ramirez 3, Galtieri 1, Sarmiento 1
Round six: Galtieri 4, Farrell 3, Sarmiento 1, Urquiza 1, Guido 1, Lanusse 1, Levingston 1
Round seven: Lanusse 5, Levingston 5, Urquiza 2, Sarmiento 1, Guido 1
Round eight: Molina Gomez 5, Guido 2 (2 in previous rounds), Rawson 2 (0 in previous rounds), Justo 2 (0 in previous rounds), Urquiza 1
Round nine: Rawson 5, Justo 5, Urquiza 1, Pedernera 1
Round ten: Urquiza 5, Lastiri 4, Pedernera 2, Lonardi 1
Round eleven: Bignone 4, Pedernera 3 (3 in previous rounds), Lonardi 3 (1 in previous rounds), Juarez Celman 1, Quintana 1
Round twelve: Juarez Celman 5, Lonardi 4, Quintana 1, Campora 1, Castillo 1
Round thirteen: Campora 4, Quintana 3, Castillo 1, C. Kirchner 1, Menem 1
Round fourteen: J.E. Uriburu 4, Balcarce 2 (0 in previous rounds+Caudillo's decision), Figueroa Alcorta 2 (0 in previous rounds), Castillo 1, Menem 1, Torcuato de Alvear 1, Lopez y Planes 1
Round fifteen: Figueroa Alcorta 4, Lopez y Planes 4, Castillo 2, Menem 1, Maza 1
Round sixteen: Maza 5, Castillo 2 (5 in previous rounds), Torcuato de Alvear 2 (1 in previous rounds)

In each round, you vote for 2 presidents or heads of state you want to eliminate.
In case of a tie, the president who has received the biggest total of votes in previous rounds is eliminated. In case of a new tie, I, Caudillo of this Survivor, will decide.
Each round is open for 24 hours+

ROUND SEVENTEEN IS OPEN !
Vote away !

Remember: 2 votes for 2 different guys.

[big bad fab]

So long as Edu hasn't voted, this round will remain open, of course.

Adolfo Rodriguez Saa
Fernando de la Rua

(far from sure I'll "win" with these 2, but I also want to target some recent ones...)