IL-3 Dem Primary: Election Day!

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Lipinski will win, and I'm rooting for him.

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Come one Lipinski, you can do this.

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It's time for King Dan to rich into his coffers already and let out a campaign blitz in the final couple of weeks.

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Come one Lipinski, you can do this.

Lol no he can't

It's literally a darn tie rn.

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It's time for King Dan to rich into his coffers already and let out a campaign blitz in the final couple of weeks.

King Dan? What kind of cuck are you?

Nice one...

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Newman goes for the kill in a new ad

Come on Lipinski!!

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Wow bernie, way to turn on the working class who you claim to be for. Lipinski is one of the good guys in congress and working class centrist Dems are a dying breed (Lipinski, Lynch, Peterson, Kind, etc.) My whole family was once working class democrats, but Bernie, Newman, and their whole SJW crusade jolted us across the aisle. Please, people of IL-3, keep Dan Lipinski as your congressman

Very good, great statement by a great poster.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

This primary seems to be a good example of the ever-accelerating trend of polarization within this country. If Lipinski is defeated (which is a strong possibility at this point), then it would mean a further consolidation of the Democratic caucus, in terms of ideological thought. Both parties have become more and more extreme in recent years, and this has contributed to polarization. Why can there not be party members who don't always toe the party line on every single issue?

Maybe one of the issues that is non negotiable is endorsing a sitting president of your own party?

So what? Just because they are the same party and are the president means that you have to endorse their reelection? I love Obama and would endorse him over and over again, but some democrats don't feel the same way, and I respect that.

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Wow bernie, way to turn on the working class who you claim to be for. Lipinski is one of the good guys in congress and working class centrist Dems are a dying breed (Lipinski, Lynch, Peterson, Kind, etc.) My whole family was once working class democrats, but Bernie, Newman, and their whole SJW crusade jolted us across the aisle. Please, people of IL-3, keep Dan Lipinski as your congressman

Very good, great statement by a great poster.

What do you feel about the drive to remove Lipinski from office? From my understanding, this is a traditional working-class kind of district, and one with a kind of "working-class religious" tint.

I'm disgusted by the purist purges, and I really hope Lipinski can pull through, and I think it has tightened but he still holds the advantage.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Wow bernie, way to turn on the working class who you claim to be for. Lipinski is one of the good guys in congress and working class centrist Dems are a dying breed (Lipinski, Lynch, Peterson, Kind, etc.) My whole family was once working class democrats, but Bernie, Newman, and their whole SJW crusade jolted us across the aisle. Please, people of IL-3, keep Dan Lipinski as your congressman

Very good, great statement by a great poster.

What do you feel about the drive to remove Lipinski from office? From my understanding, this is a traditional working-class kind of district, and one with a kind of "working-class religious" tint.

I'm disgusted by the purist purges, and I really hope Lipinski can pull through, and I think it has tightened but he still holds the advantage.

We will see what happens. Many of the Blue Dog Democrats, of a very similar cast as Lipinski, were wiped out in 2010, and had been a critical component of the old Democratic majorities in the House. By engaging in such purges, Democrats make it more difficult for themselves, and less likely that they can hold a viable coalition in the future. My hope is that things eventually go down the path as suggested in that Cordray timeline: one where Democrats return to their roots, and don't go too far out of field.  

Democrats have not had a majority without moderates in nearly a hundred years. They are cutting off a good foot by primarying Lipinskis all over the country. Because they feel as though a prosthetic would look cooler. We also need moderates to break the gridlock, and get stuff done. Extreme polarization screws us all over. We don't have enough moderates.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Wow bernie, way to turn on the working class who you claim to be for. Lipinski is one of the good guys in congress and working class centrist Dems are a dying breed (Lipinski, Lynch, Peterson, Kind, etc.) My whole family was once working class democrats, but Bernie, Newman, and their whole SJW crusade jolted us across the aisle. Please, people of IL-3, keep Dan Lipinski as your congressman

Very good, great statement by a great poster.

What do you feel about the drive to remove Lipinski from office? From my understanding, this is a traditional working-class kind of district, and one with a kind of "working-class religious" tint.

I'm disgusted by the purist purges, and I really hope Lipinski can pull through, and I think it has tightened but he still holds the advantage.

We will see what happens. Many of the Blue Dog Democrats, of a very similar cast as Lipinski, were wiped out in 2010, and had been a critical component of the old Democratic majorities in the House. By engaging in such purges, Democrats make it more difficult for themselves, and less likely that they can hold a viable coalition in the future. My hope is that things eventually go down the path as suggested in that Cordray timeline: one where Democrats return to their roots, and don't go too far out of field.  

Democrats have not had a majority without moderates in nearly a hundred years. They are cutting off a good foot by primarying Lipinskis all over the country. Because they feel as though a prosthetic would look cooler. We also need moderates to break the gridlock, and get stuff done. Extreme polarization screws us all over. We don't have enough moderates.

I fully agree with you. And as you can see elsewhere on this thread, it seems as if people jump on you if you try to call for moderation and for greater partisanship. All that we say also applies to the Republican Party as well. I honestly believe our country would be better off if we had more politicians in the mold of Manchin and Collins, rather than extremists like Cruz and Harris.

Hear hear!

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Wow bernie, way to turn on the working class who you claim to be for. Lipinski is one of the good guys in congress and working class centrist Dems are a dying breed (Lipinski, Lynch, Peterson, Kind, etc.) My whole family was once working class democrats, but Bernie, Newman, and their whole SJW crusade jolted us across the aisle. Please, people of IL-3, keep Dan Lipinski as your congressman

Very good, great statement by a great poster.

What do you feel about the drive to remove Lipinski from office? From my understanding, this is a traditional working-class kind of district, and one with a kind of "working-class religious" tint.

I'm disgusted by the purist purges, and I really hope Lipinski can pull through, and I think it has tightened but he still holds the advantage.

We will see what happens. Many of the Blue Dog Democrats, of a very similar cast as Lipinski, were wiped out in 2010, and had been a critical component of the old Democratic majorities in the House. By engaging in such purges, Democrats make it more difficult for themselves, and less likely that they can hold a viable coalition in the future. My hope is that things eventually go down the path as suggested in that Cordray timeline: one where Democrats return to their roots, and don't go too far out of field.  

Democrats have not had a majority without moderates in nearly a hundred years. They are cutting off a good foot by primarying Lipinskis all over the country. Because they feel as though a prosthetic would look cooler. We also need moderates to break the gridlock, and get stuff done. Extreme polarization screws us all over. We don't have enough moderates.

It's not about looking cooler. It's about trying to have the votes to do stuff like Medicare for All, Free College, paid family and medical leave, paid vacation time by law, taxing and regulating weed, and financial regulation in 2020 or whenever we get a trifecta. Have we learned anything from 2006 CT Sen? I'm generally for running economic and social moderates but run them where actually necessary.

All of those objectives, I believe, follow in the tradition of the New Deal and Great Society. My personal opinion is that a Democrat who supports this, but who may still be socially moderate or conservative, wouldn't necessarily be the worst thing to have. To me, primary challenges such as this one aren't the most productive thing, because they tend to aggravate the divide between the factions within the Party.

Yes, but I wouldn't consider Lipinski someone who supports that, given he voted against Obamacare, and voted to deregulate Wall Street, and has been hesitant to increase the minimum wage. They're not the most productive thing, but I don't think Justice Dems and similar organizations have the resources to pull this off in the same extent the Tea Party did, and at the end of the day, Marie Newman will be a better congresswomen than Dan Lipinski.

If Lipinski loses the primary, we all know things are going to get even uglier, but if he wins, does that send a large counterblow?

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They do look alike:

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They do look alike:

Oh come on mate. How she looks is irrelevant.

He not she. Anyways it's funny.

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I love the candidate interview with Lipinski and Newman, and Newman was railing on about how King Dan does not support the fight for 15, and at the end of that who knows what induced tirade, he was like, well I wonder if she paid all her employees at least 15 an hour, and that bruja just spun and started babbling about something else.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Come on Lipinski, you are either going to win this thing, or go down swinging like a lion!

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Lipinski is done

https://www.twitter.com/ChangePolls/status/975859450568298496

https://www.twitter.com/ChangePolls/status/975943385365192704

The next tweet says that Ives is in good shape to win her primary, so not trusting this bs.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

empty quote this post if you back King Dan

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Dan or death! (Sigh... still vote for Newman if she makes the GE to block the neo-nazi).

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DAN DAN DAN!!!

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LOVE IT! My boy Lipinski saving the day.

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I just love how a decent size chunk of Newman fans on here are essentially cursing Lipinski fans and calling us trash, but are now encouraging supporting a literal neo-nazi, great...

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

I'd like to thank the Catholic Church, the Chicago Police, the AFL-CIO, working people, and minorities for sending our man back to Congress.

And the Polish-American community in IL 3rd as well!

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Wasserman calls it.

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/976297983732940800

This thread is bad, and there are some people here who I don't think understand the struggles involved with being part of the LGBT community. In that regard, I've been luckier than even some people I know. I've never been forced to sleep in a tent in the backyard, like one of my LGBT friends. Being taken to a church which hates you every week, living in a predominantly conservative area, staying in the closet for your own safety, etc is still happening to some of us, and people like Lipinski and his defenders don't care.

Lipinski hates us. There's no way around that. It doesn't matter if he "respects the law" or whatever bullsh**t you come up with, he votes against laws that would protect us from discrimination. We don't want to understand his reasoning behind this, listening to hate doesn't do anyone any good. Beliefs that only hurt other people should be shut up and voted out.

Lipinski losing would have been amazing. We don't need his type in the Democratic Party. Especially not in Chicago. Yes, it's ideological purity, and it's good. As long as you give Lipinski a platform, or try to get us to understand his repulsive point of view, the dream of equality and acceptance will remain distant. Let's just hope that we get someone accepting in 2020.

This is a really good post, and basically what I've been trying to say all night.

I don't want to listen to Lipinski and people like him. I've heard what they've had to say for decades. It's all the same. I don't care about his rationalizations. He harms vulnerable communities in this country, and the Democratic Party should be better than him.

Do you at least prefer Dianne Feinstein (who supports gay rights) over Dan Lipinski (who doesn't)?

Yes. Feinstein's also really good on gun control, which is another major issue for me. I don't hate her like a lot of other lefties do.

I still think her time has passed and a more progressive Senator should represent the most progressive state in the union.

California is still not as progressive as one might think. My home county (Orange) is still largely pro-capital punishment. Many heavily Democratic communities (like Santa Ana and Hacienda Heights) largely oppose marijuana legalization.

I mean, you're right, California is extremely diverse politically, but liberals make up a large majority, and there are many people to the left of liberalism in Cali as well.

Why is he in a Scumbag Steve hat?

Poke a little fun at yall, that's all.