Pete Buttigieg 2020 campaign megathread

[John Dule]

If Christian morality demands that you be "humble" and restrain your "hubris" before the "almighty," I'll take a narcissist over a self-flagellating believer any day of the week.

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If Christian morality demands that you be "humble" and restrain your "hubris" before the "almighty," I'll take a narcissist over a self-flagellating believer any day of the week.

Nice meme. Maybe Jesus will give you some good boy points for it.

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People care about "scripture" now more than any other time in human history. Your post is literally the falsest thing you could possibly say about the subject.

Explain this statement.

[John Dule]

If it weren't for the fact that the identity politics wing of the base would be bitter and salty over it, I think O'Rourke/Buttigieg or Buttigieg/O'Rourke would make a superb ticket.

Please stop perpetuating this awful term created to silence the opinions of historically marginalized groups. All politics revolve around identity.

You are, pound for pound, the most ridiculous poster on this site. People criticize identity politics because, when taken to its logical conclusion, it argues that people's political opinions should be determined at birth. If your immutable characteristics-- race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnic/national background-- are the prime motive behind your politics, you are effectively surrendering your agency as a decision-making individual to random circumstance and the situation of your birth. It completely devalues a person's ability to decide things for themselves. So please stop perpetuating this awful worldview created to constrain the ability of free-thinking people to make choices for themselves. All politics should revolve around ideas, not identity.

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I mean...Mayor Pete isn't wrong about that.  Sanders would lose in a landslide to Trump and probably set the party back a decade or two in the process.

What states do you see Trump winning against Sanders that he couldn't win against Clinton?

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LOLOLOL. Virginia is gone for republicans. I understand you probably don't want Sanders to be the nominee, but the concern trolling here is plain ridiculous. Furthermore, calling out people who have no policy views and care nothing about moving the democratic party forward and would take a neoconservative hack like Jeff Flake over Trump is not racist. It's obvious RFKfan was referring to people like Peter Daou or Steny Hoyer not a generic white person.

This is such a meme. If Trump, a terrible fit for the state, could come within 5% of winning it when Clinton's VP pick was a former Virginian governor and she poured money into the state, then it's definitely not safe for the Dems yet. Democrats have just had quite a few scandals in the state, and while they've been doing well in statewide elections recently it's possible that this could change in the fall. Of the states Clinton won, I would rank Virginia as the third-most likely to flip to Trump, after New Hampshire and Minnesota.

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I think this “Virginia might flip against Sanders or some other D nominee” is ludicrous for quite a few obvious reasons.

Such as?

LOL

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1121137511538069504

WTF I love Pete Buttigieg now

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I could easily see Buttigieg being the runner up to Sanders or Biden in the primary and then winning the nomination and defeating Pence in 2024 after Sanders or Biden lost the general to Trump.  This could be the most likely way he becomes president. 

By 2024, progressives will dominate the Democratic Party, this is Pete's only shot.

Err...Buttigieg is a progressive.

Nice try. Progressives don't say that it's too early to talk about policy.

I forgot, when was it that you were given the role of deciding who's a progressive and who's not? Or is that some role Bernie supporters always have, deciding that all these female, black, gay candidates are not progressive?

In any case, it's impossible to tell if Buttigieg is progressive or not because he doesn't have any concrete policy proposals. His dogs have a Twitter account but he can't be bothered to upload a few paragraphs on his positions to his campaign page.

[John Dule]

I keep hearing how Pete is just another white male running for President and that's the only reason his candidacy took off but none of the other candidates are being interrupted with "one man, one woman" protesters so

None of the other candidates are gay...

He’s taking off because he’s a gay white male whose intellectualism appeals to the Washington press corps.

Aside from Bernie and Biden, there are about fifty identical white males running for the Democratic nomination right now, none of whom are gaining any traction whatsoever. Being a white guy is hardly a guarantor of success in the DNC these days.

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I keep hearing how Pete is just another white male running for President and that's the only reason his candidacy took off but none of the other candidates are being interrupted with "one man, one woman" protesters so

None of the other candidates are gay...

He’s taking off because he’s a gay white male whose intellectualism appeals to the Washington press corps.

Aside from Bernie and Biden, there are about fifty identical white males running for the Democratic nomination right now, none of whom are gaining any traction whatsoever. Being a white guy is hardly a guarantor of success in the DNC these days.

This post doesn’t make sense considering he is also gay and that was noted in the post you quoted.

So he's successful because he's gay, not because he's a white guy. So just say that.

[John Dule]

I keep hearing how Pete is just another white male running for President and that's the only reason his candidacy took off but none of the other candidates are being interrupted with "one man, one woman" protesters so

None of the other candidates are gay...

He’s taking off because he’s a gay white male whose intellectualism appeals to the Washington press corps.

Aside from Bernie and Biden, there are about fifty identical white males running for the Democratic nomination right now, none of whom are gaining any traction whatsoever. Being a white guy is hardly a guarantor of success in the DNC these days.

This post doesn’t make sense considering he is also gay and that was noted in the post you quoted.

So he's successful because he's gay, not because he's a white guy. So just say that.

A gay white male.

A black lesbian would not get this attention. Marginalized groups are not interchangeable.

Individual human beings aren't fungible to begin with, so I have no idea how much attention your hypothetical black lesbian would get.

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To be honest, I think what really draws me to Pete has to be how weak all of the arguments against him are. All of the attacks I've seen really stretch the actual facts of the matter if they aren't outright fabrications or deranged.

What about the simple fact that he's not qualified for the office? He's a small-town mayor, and yes, I'm impressed by how he's managed to revitalize his town-- he should run for senate or as a representative-- but I really don't want Trump's inexperience to be a precedent-setter rather than an aberration. And no, I'm not a Trump supporter, so the whataboutism argument doesn't work for me. Why should we trust Buttigieg to make this enormous leap?

[John Dule]

Pete has released a page on his website detailing specific policy proposals and goals for a variety of issues.

This is a great step towards him solidifying himself as a serious contender.

He's just paraphrasing the ideas of other candidates.

You've shown a pretty consistent inability to think impartially or critically on anything relating to Pete Buttigieg so perhaps you should respectfully never post in this thread again, lad.

Ok, I'm the first one to call this guy out for his irrational pro-Kamala bias, but he's absolutely right about this.

[John Dule]

D) Your ignorant

And ignorant me always thought it was "you're".

Attacking the grammar and not the substance of the argument. I rest my case lol.

To be fair, that was a hard one to pass up.

[John Dule]

Desticking this due to overall lack of commentary on the candidate in question.

I thought it was based on polling, not commentary. If it's the latter, Gabbard and Yang should definitely have stickied threads, lol.

Accurate. Interesting candidates should get stickied. Boring a-holes like Beto and Butt should get booted off.

[John Dule]

Yeah, still not feeling this hype. He came off as a condescending white guy at the debate and was praised for it by the media, but Castro was lambasted as being "too nasty" when he did it to Biden. He hasn't proposed any serious or game-changing policy proposals and he's super uninspiring. The hype is that he's a cute gay vet with a hubby.

His lack of black support is why his campaign is doomed.

Attacking Buttigieg won't make Kamala Harris any less of a joke candidate.

Lol everyone here thinks bringing up Harris is some sort of a clever way to diminish my opinion rather than actually debating anything I said. I've conceded that Harris isn't going to be the nominee since June.  Find another way to gaslight. Warren has been my first choice for over a month now.

Damn... Harris loses her most loyal supporter.

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Gabriel Greene, a long-distance truck driver whose son was a football prospect, said he had not heard of Mr. Buttigieg.

As a reporter ticked off some details about him — 37 years old, a mayor, a veteran of the war in Afghanistan, married to a man — Mr. Greene interrupted.

“You say he’s married to a man?” he said. “He lost my vote. I believe in Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.’’

These people wouldn't vote for a Democrat anyway, and we shouldn't be trying to win their votes.

Someday we should compile a list of all the categories of Americans who Atlas thinks "wouldn't vote for a Democrat anyway." Factoring in the "transphobes," people who don't like the "Squad," Midwestern Christians, truck drivers, Obama-Trump voters, various socially conservative minorities, "Islamophobes," suburban whites who don't want their taxes to go up, and small business owners, it's a wonder that you guys have any hope to win this election at all.

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https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1190375615167373312?s=20

I mean, he’s polling poorly with African-Americans in no small part due to that community’s homophobia, so that part isn’t really his fault.  Oh and also because he fired a crooked police chief who happened to be black, but again not his fault the guy decided to commit a felony.

Funny how literally everyone I've seen make this take is white.

Is it really a "take" when you can just look at the polling? African-American support for gay marriage is routinely 10% lower than white support for it.

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https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1190375615167373312?s=20

I mean, he’s polling poorly with African-Americans in no small part due to that community’s homophobia, so that part isn’t really his fault.  Oh and also because he fired a crooked police chief who happened to be black, but again not his fault the guy decided to commit a felony.

Funny how literally everyone I've seen make this take is white.

Is it really a "take" when you can just look at the polling? African-American support for gay marriage is routinely 10% lower than white support for it.

I think ur missing the point about it only being white people, typically privileged white people making statements like that.

So? If the statement is correct, it doesn't matter who's saying it.

[John Dule]

https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1190375615167373312?s=20

I mean, he’s polling poorly with African-Americans in no small part due to that community’s homophobia, so that part isn’t really his fault.  Oh and also because he fired a crooked police chief who happened to be black, but again not his fault the guy decided to commit a felony.

Funny how literally everyone I've seen make this take is white.

Is it really a "take" when you can just look at the polling? African-American support for gay marriage is routinely 10% lower than white support for it.

I think ur missing the point about it only being white people, typically privileged white people making statements like that.

So? If the statement is correct, it doesn't matter who's saying it.

IDRK what point the person you quoted is making but there are two statements you could be referring to:

1) Support for same-sex marriage/same-sex-supportive policy is lower among AAs
2) Buttigieg's abysmal support among AAs is due to his homosexuality

1) is supported by polling but 2) isn't. 2) isn't necessarily disproven but people are inferring a relationship that there is no evidence for.

We know that Obama had plenty of support from people who were not racially progressive (there is evidence for this!) Why isn't Buttigieg receiving support from people who are progressive on SSM? Could be due to homophobia but it could be due to lots of other things.

Good post; you've separated the two out pretty nicely. I thought he was referring to point #1.

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Also, for good measure, the other time he threw the election to a Republican by running as a spoiler:

Looks like the Democrat won two of those anyway, and in a third, adding in Sanders' votes wouldn't have put the Democrat over 50%. In the fourth, Sanders came in second, so the Democrat was actually the one who threw the election to the GOP.

[John Dule]

lmao who the f**k are these people. just gimme my thousand bucks

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Kinda've

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Apparently Buttigieg staged a 9-year old coming out as gay at his speech today?

Lmao link?
I literally searched and can’t find a single thing.

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