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  To All: Should Dan Lipinski be Primaried? (search mode)
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Question: D+6 District, voted 55-40 for Hillary.
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Author Topic: To All: Should Dan Lipinski be Primaried?  (Read 10794 times)
TheLeftwardTide
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« on: August 29, 2017, 10:47:16 PM »
« edited: August 29, 2017, 11:01:34 PM by Angry Socdem »

Yes. As said in the Cuellar thread, any dem voting the way cuellar and Lipinski do in a D+5 district or more should be primaried.

I want to address the argument that the people in this district are "socially conservative Democrats". The fact of the matter is that Dan Lipinski isn't that economically left-wing, either. It would be very viable to primary him with a more fiscally egalitarian, socially moderate candidate than a fiscally moderate, socially conservative congressman like Lipinksi.

Obviously and the fact that he endorsed Bernie for some unknown reason doesn't change that.
It's not unknown. Lipinski and several other representatives made a pledge to back whichever primary candidate won their district. This meant that you had Collin Peterson of all people backing Sanders. But this really does show something; if the district's Democratic base backed Sanders, and the district is relatively Democratic (meaning that Lipinski doesn't need much crossover appeal), then shouldn't a more fiscally egalitarian candidate not only be viable, but represent the district better?

For this reason, I'd like to see Justice Democrats target this district with a left-populist Catholic or something.
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TheLeftwardTide
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« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2017, 04:05:46 PM »
« Edited: August 30, 2017, 04:10:32 PM by Angry Socdem »

No, and I say this as somebody who knows a fair share about him thanks to my internship this summer. If you really think he deserves a primary, I urge you to consider his effectiveness in Congress.

Lipinski is one of the most important Democrats for transportation issues. He introduced major protections for airline consumers, and while that bill did not pass, some provisions from it ended up in the FAA bill being considered.  His work on manufacturing is big too. The National Manufacturing Strategy Act, his work on Buy American legislation, etc bring both parties together for American jobs. On the NDAA, he led the charge for greater collaboration with univesities on cybersecurity at the DoD. He's leading the effort for bipartisan tax reform and healthcare reform. Maybe he's not out there being a left wing Democrat, but Lipinski is incredibly effective in Congress. If you've ever lamented polarization and stymied progress in Washington, you ought to support Lipinski.

Also, he's not a right winger either. Maybe he is not a flaming liberal, but he voted against the Hartzler Amendment, against the sanctuary cities bill, for legislation to investigate Trump, for campaign finance reform, against TPP, against Obamacare repeal efforts. Lipinski gets things done for Chicagoland. His constituent services are incredibly well done, and he helps the district obtain important federal grants.

Add to that, his district is not liberal. He fits it quite well. With a high Polish, Irish, and Greek population, it's socially more to the right than most Democratic districts. Add to that about a third of it being Hispanic (not a very left wing population), and you have a district that fits its congressman like a glove. I know the national special interests ignore that, but it's the truth.

I still stand by what I said, but this is a really, really good argument. I tend to only know the general profile of out-of-state (non-Maryland) congressmen.

Something that I use for a litmus test for almost all D+5 or more districts is whether the congressman in question supports any form of nationalized health care; i.e. single-payer, Medicare-for-All, etc. You had people like Sanford Bishop co-sponsoring HR676, but Lipinski did not. If Democrats ever get a trifecta back, which they almost certainly will by the mid-2020s, I'm worried that congressmen like Lipinski, who also holds a leadership role on the Blue Dog Coalition, would lead the Democratic opposition to a single-payer bill.

Obviously HR676 isn't suitable to pass in it's current form, but the general idea is what matters; iirc Medicare was originally supposed to cover everyone before it got gutted to only covering the elderly. It's approval ratings are in the high 70s, which is why Republicans will never get rid of it. Conservatives have realized that the only way to keep a privatized healthcare system is to stop a public sector one from ever coming to fruition.

I don't think Lipinski should be a high priority target. Take people like Feinstein, Cantwell, and especially Menendez out first, or if you want representatives, Jim Cooper and Mike Thompson are clearly too conservative for their districts, more so than Lipinski.
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TheLeftwardTide
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« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2017, 08:41:33 PM »

so you don't like "mavericks," you just like centrists.
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TheLeftwardTide
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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2017, 06:38:21 PM »

Yes, because he's "pro-life". I know this forum is usually fine with limiting women's rights, but for me, it's a deal breaker.
Over 60% endorse primarying him . Tongue
It's not because he's pro-life, it's because he's also fiscally conservative (or, rather, more conservative than the average Democrat).

Trust me, if he was Bernie Sanders on fiscal issues and pro-life this forum would be trumpeting him as a potential Democratic nominee in 2020.

This, 100%. Sanders won his district in the primary as well, so there's no good reason to believe that people in this district are inherently fiscally moderate or conservative. This was a large part of my argument.
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