What percentage of recipients of aid from the program TANF are C150AASDFM's?

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I think you raise some excellent points, J.J. The vast majority of people on welfare do not want to be there, and are highly ashamed of it.

It is foolish of them to feel ashamed.

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'Fault' can never lie with the powerless, Nym90.

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It is convenient for their owners to abandon them as an example to the other workers.  On the other hand, giving them a meager pittance is a good way to feed the hubris of working class fools who think they are being harmed by this.

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Why not?  Poverty and subjugation are a permanent way of life under the capitalist social heirarchy.   

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What basic 'safety net', Nym 90?  It has completely excluded all but women with very small children, and even forces them to 'work' within a very short time (I think just a few years) - which is of course ridiculous as they have children.  For example, workers such as you or I, being males of the non-paternal sort, would simply get nothing.

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To a certain extent I agree that it is bad for people to feel shame, but it is also good that they feel a drive to be a productive member of society.

The owners are not 'productive members of society', Nym90.  They are the ones from whom you produce.

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To ensure equal opportuntity for 'success', Nym90, the law would have to completely do away with economic inequality.  Of course this is probably impossible, and certainly a tall order.

No, 'equal opportunity for success' is an absurd notion under capitalism (or any heirarchical system).  We need to get away from the idea that people in the lower classes can 'succeed', and instead try to simply emeliorate their miseries.

I understand the usefulness of the false promise of 'opportunity' in the formation of hubris and the imposition of social control, but it does create the most awful psychological problems in these poors.


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