Biden halts ammo to Israel

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Is anyone else reporting this? Might not be true.

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Can this man be more pathetic?

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1788377356236661184

He's right.

Biden will get less than 60% of the jewish vote after this, I'm sure of that. >95% of haredim will vote Trump. And the Haley voters might be lost too. Muslims and progressive whites better be enough for him.

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https://twitter.com/fawfulfan/status/1788551620759855265?s=46

What is Biden's own plan then? This is getting fustrating honestly. He gives ammo to Ukraine but prevents them from hitting Russian territory. He gives weapons to Israel but prevents them from eliminating Hamas. How are America's allies supposed to win if they can only fight with one hand tied behind their backs? At this point, might as well roll the dice with Trump. He will fully commit to helping Israel and maybe Ukraine too if they flatter him enough.

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https://twitter.com/fawfulfan/status/1788551620759855265?s=46

What is Biden's own plan then? This is getting fustrating honestly. He gives ammo to Ukraine but prevents them from hitting Russian territory. He gives weapons to Israel but prevents them from eliminating Hamas. How are America's allies supposed to win if they can only fight with one hand behind their backs? At this point, might as well roll the dice with Trump. He will fully commit to helping Israel and maybe Ukraine too if they flatter him enough.

What if Trump picks Vance or Lee as VP though. The fact is what needs to be done is that actual Republicans who backed Haley need to pressure Trump not to pick a paleocon as VP and pick someone like Rubio instead . At the same time moderate Democrats need to put pressure on Biden to reverse decisions such as these .

The fact is right now the online base and activists are having disproportionate influence on foreign policy and the reason is they are the ones putting all sorts of political pressure on Trump/Biden (Trump though people like Tucker , Biden through protests ) and that’s the real problem we face .

Yeah Trump needs a good VP. I don't know what are Burgum's foreign policy views but he seems to be a standard old school republican like Pence so maybe he'd be fine? Vance or Lee would be disastrous of course but I don't think he'll pick them. Haley will also meet with donors (I posted the link in the primaries thread) so maybe she'll get them to pressure him too.

edit: Isn't it the middle of the night were you are? How are you not asleep lol

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https://twitter.com/fawfulfan/status/1788551620759855265?s=46

What is Biden's own plan then? This is getting fustrating honestly. He gives ammo to Ukraine but prevents them from hitting Russian territory. He gives weapons to Israel but prevents them from eliminating Hamas. How are America's allies supposed to win if they can only fight with one hand behind their backs? At this point, might as well roll the dice with Trump. He will fully commit to helping Israel and maybe Ukraine too if they flatter him enough.

What if Trump picks Vance or Lee as VP though. The fact is what needs to be done is that actual Republicans who backed Haley need to pressure Trump not to pick a paleocon as VP and pick someone like Rubio instead . At the same time moderate Democrats need to put pressure on Biden to reverse decisions such as these .

The fact is right now the online base and activists are having disproportionate influence on foreign policy and the reason is they are the ones putting all sorts of political pressure on Trump/Biden (Trump though people like Tucker , Biden through protests ) and that’s the real problem we face .

Yeah Trump needs a good VP. I don't know what are Burgum's foreign policy views but he seems to be a standard old school republican like Pence so maybe he'd be fine? Vance or Lee would be disastrous of course but I don't think he'll pick them. Haley will also meet with donors (I posted the link in the primaries thread) so maybe she'll get them to pressure him too.

Rubio > Burgum imo and I also think he'd be the better pick politically too.

Yeah but they are from the same state so I think it's not possible?

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Republicans want to force Biden to send arms to Israel

Republican lawmakers are pushing legislation aimed at stopping President Biden from withholding weapons shipments to Israel.

Why it matters: The administration's move to block the arms sales has drawn backlash from pro-Israel lawmakers in both parties.

    Most recently, Rep. Brad Schneider (D-Ill.) said in a statement on Thursday he is "deeply concerned" about the decision "as well as the President's comments about withholding security assistance to Israel."

What's happening: The administration has paused transfers of ammunition, 500-pound bombs and 2000-pound bombs – a way of signaling U.S. concerns about a potential invasion of Rafah, per Axios' Barak Ravid.

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Driving the news: Rep. Beth Van Duyne (R-Texas) introduced the Immediate Support for Israel Act on Thursday, which would require transfers of some weapons to Israel to occur within 30 days of procurement.

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Zoom in: Rep. Cory Mills (R-Fla.) is taking things a step further, telling Fox News he is drafting articles of impeachment against Biden for withholding the aid.

To the lay person, this looks close enough to the reason why Trump was impeached in 2019 (delaying aid that was already appropriated) though it was Ukraine in that case. So they could sell it more easily than the Hunter Biden bullcrap and hell they could even get one very pro-Israel democrat (Gottenheimer maybe?) to support it and claim it as bipartisan which would be devastating for Biden's campaign at this point.

This is where Jeffries move to save Johnson comes in handy. Johnson will probably not try to break the deal by supporting an impeachment at this moment.

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He’s not gonna lose the votes of Pro Israel democrats, the question is what’s gonna happen with Haley voters . Most Haley voters already despise his policies on the economy, immigration but were considering supporting him for foreign policy reasons . Well if that reason is gone then , that hurts him as well given how narrowly he won in 2020 . Now does this mean Trump will get their votes , no because Trump still hasn’t given an indication that he will reach out to those voters but if he does then that could cause Biden real problems

I'm sorry but does everybody understand how sociopathic this post is?
Encouraging Biden to stand by and watch the massacre of thousands of innocent women and children because if he does something to save them he might lose the votes of a handful of bigots?  

Thousands of german women and children were killed by the allies during WWII. Was it unjustified?

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He’s not gonna lose the votes of Pro Israel democrats, the question is what’s gonna happen with Haley voters . Most Haley voters already despise his policies on the economy, immigration but were considering supporting him for foreign policy reasons . Well if that reason is gone then , that hurts him as well given how narrowly he won in 2020 . Now does this mean Trump will get their votes , no because Trump still hasn’t given an indication that he will reach out to those voters but if he does then that could cause Biden real problems

I'm sorry but does everybody understand how sociopathic this post is?
Encouraging Biden to stand by and watch the massacre of thousands of innocent women and children because if he does something to save them he might lose the votes of a handful of bigots?  

Thousands of german women and children were killed by the allies during WWII. Was it unjustified?

This comparison will never be relevant no matter how many times ethnic cleansing advocates invoke it.

Palestinian nationalism literally is the Islamic version of Nazism. Even Grand Mufti aside, they have stated over and over that they seek to genocide Jews and have proven over and over again they intend to do that no matter how many liberals seem to think they dont.

Despite all of this, they would have had a state by now if they did not reject deals Israel offered them in 2000 and 2008 because the reality is they hate Israel and Jews more than they want statehood . It is actually insane how you keep believing that Israel should just stand by and do nothing and smear their efforts as ethnic cleansing because it 100% is not.

The fact is the only way a two state solution will ever happen is Palestinian nationalism as its currently constructed is completely destroyed

Lol, I never said Israel should "do nothing." I've only said they shouldn't indiscriminately bomb civilians in urban areas for the sole purpose of bloodthirsty revenge. If you're so concerned about antisemitism, why are you encouraging the Jewish state to pursue a path that is turning it into an international pariah hated by Muslims everywhere? Antisemitism is inherently irrational and racist. Why give people a concrete excuse to adhere to it?

Why should Israel give a frick about being hated by Muslims? Their mere existence is enough for Muslims to hate them, so there's no reason to care. America and Europe are perpetually unpopular in these "Muslim" countries (until comes the time to beg for asylum) and there's not much they can do. Hell, based on what I know of sharia, if radical islamists don't hate you, you must be doing something wrong.

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Why should Israel give a frick about being hated by Muslims? Their mere existence is enough for Muslims to hate them, so there's no reason to care. America and Europe are perpetually unpopular in these "Muslim" countries (until comes the time to beg for asylum) and there's not much they can do. Hell, based on what I know of sharia, if radical islamists don't hate you, you must be doing something wrong.

Just because you hate Muslims that doesn't mean that the rest of the world enjoys watching them being massacred.

I don't enjoy watching Muslims being massacred. I was responding to someone who claimed that Israel should try to avoid being hated by Muslim countries. My answer is that it would be similar to telling Ukraine to avoid being hated by Russians. Their mere existence is enough to elicit hatred.

edit: You know what, you are actually right, I'm a little prejudiced against Muslims. I need some introspection.

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Why should Israel give a frick about being hated by Muslims? Their mere existence is enough for Muslims to hate them, so there's no reason to care. America and Europe are perpetually unpopular in these "Muslim" countries (until comes the time to beg for asylum) and there's not much they can do. Hell, based on what I know of sharia, if radical islamists don't hate you, you must be doing something wrong.

Can't speak for Israel, but I care because of the chain of logic it creates. People like you and OSR constantly make thinly-veiled remarks about how "antisemitism should be eradicated." What does antisemitism mean? Apparently, it means hating Israel. Well, guess what-- there are two million people in Gaza (granted, fewer with each passing day) who hate Israel for perfectly good reasons. What exactly do you want to do to them? Please, just come out and say it. Stop wasting everybody's time with these pathetic obfuscations.

One of these two things:

1- A two state solution under renegociated borders but without allowing Palestine to have a standing army for the time being. Their defence will be guaranteed either by Israel (yes, an occupation) or a UN mandated force (the more preferable option but they are not likely to accept as despite the virtue signalling of most countries, they won't want to get involved). Palestine would be allowed to become fully autonomous after at least two full generations of de radicalization.

2- Gaza is absorbed by Egypt and the West Bank by Jordan with Israel accepting to kick out the settlers. Also not especially likely to happen because both countries (as well as Lebanon) remember what happened the last time Palestinians were allowed into their countries.