Bernie Sanders 2020 campaign megathread

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The man who was fighting for civil rights back at the same time that Hillary Clinton was endorsing and supporting a presidential candidate who was supported by the KKK and opposed the CRA is a bigot? K.

This is such a ridiculous argument and it makes me a little pissed.

*Bernie may have marched in some protests over 50 years ago but he has barely done anything for Black people since. His record as Senator is paper thin.

*Bernie literally left Brooklyn in 1968 to live in Vermont, one of the Whitest states in the country. Meanwhile, in 1968, Hillary stopped being a Republican and became a Democrat.

*Hillary was a Republican and supported Goldwater because of her father. She basically had no control over her political views at first. However, she obviously formed her own political views and that's why she became a Democrat.

*Hillary couldn't even vote in 1964 so her "supporting" Goldwater meant nothing. Her first time voting was in 1968 and she probably voted for Hubert H. Humphrey.

*Hillary has been a Democrat for over 50 years. Meanwhile, Bernie was only a Democrat for a year and that's because he wanted to use the party to become President.

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*Bernie literally left Brooklyn in 1968 to live in Vermont, one of the Whitest states in the country. Meanwhile, in 1968, Hillary stopped being a Republican and became a Democrat.

How dare people want to live somewhere where they don't have to pay $2000/month (or equivalent in dollars of the year) for a living space of size more suited for a closet! What horrendous racism!

The man who was fighting for civil rights back at the same time that Hillary Clinton was endorsing and supporting a presidential candidate who was supported by the KKK and opposed the CRA is a bigot? K.

This is such a ridiculous argument and it makes me a little pissed.

*Bernie may have marched in some protests over 50 years ago but he has barely done anything for Black people since. His record as Senator is paper thin.

*Bernie literally left Brooklyn in 1968 to live in Vermont, one of the Whitest states in the country. Meanwhile, in 1968, Hillary stopped being a Republican and became a Democrat.

*Hillary was a Republican and supported Goldwater because of her father. She basically had no control over her political views at first. However, she obviously formed her own political views and that's why she became a Democrat.

*Hillary couldn't even vote in 1964 so her "supporting" Goldwater meant nothing. Her first time voting was in 1968 and she probably voted for Hubert H. Humphrey.

*Hillary has been a Democrat for over 50 years. Meanwhile, Bernie was only a Democrat for a year and that's because he wanted to use the party to become President.

1/2 of these reasons are incredibly trivial and rather dumb

1. You can comb his record, but he's pretty standard when it comes to Democrats voting on bills related to African Americans.

2. oh god. the horror. he left brooklyn for vermont. what a negative. how terrible. the horror. the horror. and while he left to go live in another state(such a sin) hillary became a democrat.

3. Fair enough

4. Fair enough, but not a fan of the assumption, too much unknown.

5. Why is this always brought up? Its extremely trivial and rather dumb. He fits exactly in the Democratic Party, he has paid his dues, hes worked with the Democrats. The fact that he doesnt wear the D label is such a non-factor. Does this mean Angus King is also not a real Democrat? Why is a person like Rouda, who was a Republican just 2 years ago, more of a Democrat than Sanders? Its basically a non-existent issue, and I have no idea why this is repeated ad nauseam when it has no effect on how he will govern.

The man who was fighting for civil rights back at the same time that Hillary Clinton was endorsing and supporting a presidential candidate who was supported by the KKK and opposed the CRA is a bigot? K.

This is such a ridiculous argument and it makes me a little pissed.

And your post is one of the most intellectually dishonest, self serving pieces of garbage I've ever seen. It's rare to see such a blatant failure to understand basic facts and events, so much so that I'm absolutely floored. You should be ashamed of yourself. Let me go ahead and break down some of the points you mention.

*Bernie may have marched in some protests over 50 years ago but he has barely done anything for Black people since. His record as Senator is paper thin.

Bernie didn't just march in civil rights rallies, he was chairman of the Congress of Racial Equality at the University of Chicago. He facilitated its merger with the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee and personally organized and participated in sit ins. This is nothing short of revolutionary. The vast majority of White America was not willing to personally participate in marches or rallies back then, let alone engage in community leadership and activism against racism. Your casual dismissal of Sanders' civil rights record is utterly stupid. I'm really at a loss for words

Next, you claim that his record as a Senator is 'paper thin'. Hmm. First, let's analyze his record as a Representative and then move on to his time as a Senator. Here’s what the Almanac of American Politics had to say about Bernie Sanders:

The Almanac of American Politics called Sen. Bernie Sanders a “practical” and “successful legislator.” In the House, he was dubbed the “amendment king” for passing more roll-call amendments than any other member. “He accomplishes this on the one hand by being relentlessly active and on the other by using his status as an independent to form left-right coalitions,” Matt Taibbi wrote in Rolling Stone. As the veterans committee chairman, Sanders was able “to bridge Washington’s toxic partisan divide and cut one of the most significant deals in years,” Humberto Sanchez wrote for Congressional Quarterly.

This particular quote was in reference to a Veteran’s Administration compromise that Senator Sanders fought for and consistently lobbied for. Sanders is also a ranking member on the Senate Budget Committee and a Co-founder of the Progressive Caucus.

I should point out that most 2020 hopefuls have '’’’paper thin’’’’ records in the Senate, too. Kirsten Gillibrand was the primary sponsor of 23 bills that became laws, but 14 of those bills passed were motions to rename Post Offices in her district and in New York. Oftentimes, the Senate is a body where compromise and deliberation reign. Most bills that pass aren’t wide reaching changes.

Now, if we’re just going by bills cosponsored, Sanders has conspired 403, most of them centered on health (Medicare for All), social security (SS Expansion Act), or labor (Right to Work repeal). This is certainly not a paper thin record and it’s hilarious that you would argue that.

*Hillary has been a Democrat for over 50 years. Meanwhile, Bernie was only a Democrat for a year and that's because he wanted to use the party to become President.

Okay, first of all, who cares? People like Tom Carper have been Democrats their entire lives. How, exactly, does this make someone more or less qualified to be President? Sanders has remained an Independent because he distrusts much of the Party’s leadership and it isn’t hard to see why. The Democratic Party is filled with a variety of different interest groups and some of those interest groups are corporations. Sanders is correct to distrust the corrosive mixture of power and wealth; I don’t see an issue with someone outside of official membership running for the nomination. Our Republican colleagues here voted for a man who was a Democrat just a decade ago!

*Hillary couldn't even vote in 1964 so her "supporting" Goldwater meant nothing. Her first time voting was in 1968 and she probably voted for Hubert H. Humphrey.

I’m not sure that this argument matters so much anymore, but again, you’ve claimed that Sanders’s student activist was irrelevant and pointless, so…

*Bernie literally left Brooklyn in 1968 to live in Vermont, one of the Whitest states in the country. Meanwhile, in 1968, Hillary stopped being a Republican and became a Democrat.

Okay, this is perhaps the dumbest thing I’ve ever read. So, because Bernie Sanders, a young man who has just graduated from college, decided to move to Vermont, he is a racist? I don’t even know where to begin here. Are you suggesting that Sanders fled Brooklyn to escape racial minorities? If so, why the hell did he go to college in Chicago? Why would he chair CORE? Are white people inherently reactionary?

I have no idea what you're trying to say here and honestly, it’s pretty embarrassing. Hillary Clinton attended Wellesley College in Massachusetts, which is located in one of the whitest states in the country. In 1968, that school was probably 90%+ white and lacked much, if any minority presence.

What does this tell us about Hillary Clinton’s character? It tells us absolutely nothing about her nor does it make her a bad person for attending a very white school. The fact that you’re using such trivial facts about a person’s life to brand them as a closet racist is absolute garbage. Come on, dude.

I’m not going to force people to support Senator Sanders and I also acknowledge he isn’t perfect. But I swear to god, you are an absolute hack and don’t deserve to be taken seriously in any discussion. Christ almighty.

I didn't say Sanders was a racist lol. Also, I don't care about Kirsten Gillibrand, Harley Rouda, Tom Carper, etc, so I don't know why they were brought up. They aren't relevant to this discussion.

Additionally, "I'm a hack" because I want an actual Democrat to win the DEMOCRATIC Presidential Primary. Wow, that's so terrible. Saying that I "don't deserve to be taken seriously in any discussion" really shows that you (Devout Centrist) needs to calm it down a bit. Just because I criticize Bernie doesn't warrant that utter nonsense of a statement. Also, you can't stop me anyways.

Anyways, Bernie's campaign will fizzle out in 2020 just like it did in 2016. However, he'll end up being in the final 3.

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Additionally, "I'm a hack" because I want an actual Democrat to win the DEMOCRATIC Presidential Primary. Wow, that's so terrible. Saying that I "don't deserve to be taken seriously in any discussion" really shows that you (Devout Centrist) needs to calm it down a bit.

No, I'm asking you to defend what you wrote. You won't do that.

What needed to be "defended"? Nothing.

My comment was simply a refutation of another poster who brought up the BS argument of "Hillary was a Republican, meanwhile Bernie was being the Jewish MLK" argument. Then, you guys decided to respond with fury for no real reason.

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Wait, he hosted another rally? He did Brooklyn, Selma and Chicago in like, 2 days?

Geez, Im starting to like him more and more. Say what you want about him, he's eccentric on the campaign trail.

Selma was NOT a campaign rally. He just made a quick speech and left to go to Chicago.