should jeff davis have been hanged?

[DownWithTheLeft]

The first person who should have been hanged during the Civil War was Lincoln for violating the constitution and creating an unnecessary war

[DownWithTheLeft]

The first person who should have been hanged during the Civil War was Lincoln for violating the constitution and creating an unnecessary war

The South had no right to secede from the Union.  The Constitution is an unbreakable contract.

Have you ever heard of the Hartford Convention and similar events?  The idea of secession was not unique to the South, they were just the ones who acted.  There were several states that entered into the Union only under the pretext that COULD secede if they wanted too. 

[DownWithTheLeft]

The first person who should have been hanged during the Civil War was Lincoln for violating the constitution and creating an unnecessary war

The South had no right to secede from the Union.  The Constitution is an unbreakable contract.

Have you ever heard of the Hartford Convention and similar events?  The idea of secession was not unique to the South, they were just the ones who acted.  There were several states that entered into the Union only under the pretext that COULD secede if they wanted too. 

Indeed, and none of the states that proposed leaving the Union should have been allowed to, if they had tried.

Which states?

The New England ones

[DownWithTheLeft]

New England entered the Union only on the condition they could leave later?  That sounds odd.  Besides, it doesn't matter.  Since it was no written into the Constitution that states could leave later, they are unable to.  The Constitution is permanent and binding.

May I refer you to Amendment 10?  If you are unfamiliar, it states in laymen terms, anything not in the constitution is left to the states to decide

[DownWithTheLeft]

I am familiar with the 10th Amendment, thank you.

However, I maintain that secession is unconstitutional, resting still on the old argument that the Constitution is a permanently binding document, from which you cannot break out.

There is also an argument that the Earth is flat, but the facts suggest otherwise.  Whether the states could secede or not is not a matter of opinion, the 10th amendment makes their right to secede a fact.

[DownWithTheLeft]

I am familiar with the 10th Amendment, thank you.

However, I maintain that secession is unconstitutional, resting still on the old argument that the Constitution is a permanently binding document, from which you cannot break out.

There is also an argument that the Earth is flat, but the facts suggest otherwise.  Whether the states could secede or not is not a matter of opinion, the 10th amendment makes their right to secede a fact.

I disagree on that point.

Its called a fact, you can disagree on opinions, facts cannot be disagreed with.  This is like me telling you the sky is blue and you insist that it is gold.

[DownWithTheLeft]

I am familiar with the 10th Amendment, thank you.

However, I maintain that secession is unconstitutional, resting still on the old argument that the Constitution is a permanently binding document, from which you cannot break out.

There is also an argument that the Earth is flat, but the facts suggest otherwise.  Whether the states could secede or not is not a matter of opinion, the 10th amendment makes their right to secede a fact.

I disagree on that point.

Its called a fact, you can disagree on opinions, facts cannot be disagreed with.  This is like me telling you the sky is blue and you insist that it is gold.

No, it's not.  I interpret the Constitution as an unbreakble contract, and apparently you do not.

Why do you choose to disregard the 10th amendment?  I assume you also disregard 1-26 as well?  Possibly the whole thing?

[DownWithTheLeft]

Of the two presidents during the Civil War the proper president was executed.

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Truer words have never been said on this forum

[DownWithTheLeft]

There is also an argument that the Earth is flat, but the facts suggest otherwise.  Whether the states could secede or not is not a matter of opinion, the 10th amendment makes their right to secede a fact.

There is absolutely no basis for this interpretation of the 10th amendment. Secession is inconsistent not only with the spirit and framework of the Constitution, but also with the text. A declaration of secession is equivalent to a declaration that the Constitution, laws, and treaties of the United States shall no longer apply to a particular state. But the supremacy clause makes the Constitution, laws, and treaties of the United States the "supreme Law of the Land," "any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

Thank you!

Benconstipated, if you thought that, why didn't you say it?  Although I think your both wrong

[DownWithTheLeft]

There is also an argument that the Earth is flat, but the facts suggest otherwise.  Whether the states could secede or not is not a matter of opinion, the 10th amendment makes their right to secede a fact.

There is absolutely no basis for this interpretation of the 10th amendment. Secession is inconsistent not only with the spirit and framework of the Constitution, but also with the text. A declaration of secession is equivalent to a declaration that the Constitution, laws, and treaties of the United States shall no longer apply to a particular state. But the supremacy clause makes the Constitution, laws, and treaties of the United States the "supreme Law of the Land," "any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

Thank you!

Benconstipated, if you thought that, why didn't you say it?  Although I think your both wrong

Seriously, DWDL, if "Benconstipated" is the best insult you can think of, then that's pretty pathetic.  And I did say that the 10th Amendment did not apply to secession, you responded by asking if I disregarded the other Amendments as well.

Q: Is the issue of secession addressed in the constitution?
A: No

Q: Does the 10th amendment allow the states to decide what is not in the constitution?
Y: Yes

It really does not get much more simplier