Motion to Expel Senators Dwtl and PiT

[DownWithTheLeft]

Hey I've dealt with these things before, people get a little power crazy sometimes

Anyway, I'll say this in my defense.  What I did was no different than waiting until the end to vote, what I did was legal and in fact something I had done before with good graces of President Moderate.  To expel me from this institution when the voters clearly voted to put me here is undemocratic as it deprives the voters of the representive they elected.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Dont start tempting me now. At this point, I'm really not sure where I am leaning. As I stated previously, I am disapointed with the actions taken by a few people here. I almost believe that the best way to go about this is just let the people decide in the next election if DWTL will continue to serve or not.

 So once again I'm not sure where I'm leaning with this.. I guess I'll have to ponder not what is whats best for me, but what is best for this Senate and Atlasia.

Well to answer you second question the Atlasian people wanted me in the senate

[DownWithTheLeft]

So, we have three people who will vote for it, and three people who will vote against it. For this to pass, Andrew, Al, afleitch, and BaconKing would all have to vote to expel him. Of course, I doubt BaconKing would vote to expel DWTL, since he wold not be in the Senate if it weren't for the matter Jas wishes to expel him for. I rate it as a 3% chance that DWTL actually gets expelled.

Afletich isn't a senator, I suppose you mean Trondheim.  And we only have 2 confirmed votes in favor, I think Al is better than expulsion motions

[DownWithTheLeft]

It is up to we Senators to decide what morals and standards we hold each other to, just as much as it is up to the people. DWTL will be re-elected to the Senate, this is not in doubt. The RPP's cadre of silent voters will see to that. We can though send a powerful message - that we hold our elections and electoral process in some esteem and that as sworn defenders of the Constitution, we are guardians of that process as much, if not moreso, than anyone else.

This motion makes a statement that the behaviour in question was unacceptable for any member in good standing of this chamber. I will be asking my fellow Senators to make that same statement by voting in favour of the motion.

The only powerful motion you are trying to send is that a liberal senate can expel conservative senators they do not like.  BTW, the motion is for BOTH senators not one or the other

[DownWithTheLeft]

I would point out that one of DWTL or PiT is likely to have indicated to the other the fact that invalidation of votes was an option. They may have already stated who originated the idea elsewhere (I'm not looking) or it may be a secret which they never share - nonetheless I find it implausible that they both originated the idea independently.

PiT did not tell me to do it, the only reason I did was because I saw that he was doing it and the discussion that was going on about it.

[DownWithTheLeft]

DWTL will be re-elected to the Senate, this is not in doubt. The RPP's cadre of silent voters will see to that.

     If you feel that way, how about an up-or-down public referendum on whether DWTL & I should run for re-election as Senators?

Due to the overwhemingly left-tilt of Atlasia, that would be stupid we would obviously lose.  That is why PR is so great, no matter how much Jas kicks and screams conservatives still have a voice

[DownWithTheLeft]

Then why did you hate it?

I hate it applied to regional seats as that is direct representation.  I like it for the former district seats

[DownWithTheLeft]

Then why did you hate it?

I hate it applied to regional seats as that is direct representation.  I like it for the former district seats

You hated it before.

And the distinction seems rather odd. Why would a region have special representation as opposed to, say, a group of people who edit the Wiki?

People to conjure in regions in which they feel politically fit.  JCPers in the Pacific, conservatives in the Dirty South, moderates in the Northeast, populists in the Mideast, and who knows what in the Midwest

[DownWithTheLeft]

And where do liberals fit in?

There pretty much scattered everywhere in small doses

[DownWithTheLeft]

And where do liberals fit in?

There pretty much scattered everywhere in small doses

Exactly. That's where your system breaks down. There's no SDP region.

Well then make one.  You're the one staying in California   The Midwest seems ripe for the picking if you ask me

[DownWithTheLeft]

Like I said, why go to the trouble of moving? National elections have worked fine, haven't they?

For me, not for you

[DownWithTheLeft]

Motion for censure? LOL

What a waste of time, take a non-binding measure in a fantasy game.  Thanks for basically handing me re-election by promoting my message

[DownWithTheLeft]

You shouldn't be so presumptive.

I've never lacked self-confidence

[DownWithTheLeft]

You shouldn't be so presumptive.

I've never lacked self-confidence

Sense, on the other hand...

I have a lot of sense, including the common sense to know when something is a game.  I just don't have my head lodged ten feet up my ass

[DownWithTheLeft]

Nay

I'll dig up the old censure motion if someone wants it

[DownWithTheLeft]

I encourage the rest of the senators to vote on the measure as well so the public has a record of which senators would want to remove senators legally elected by the people so they can beware.

[DownWithTheLeft]

exactly.

Or gigantic egos