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« on: March 10, 2014, 08:38:04 PM »

Firstly, anyone who has ever travelled from Asia-Pacific to Europe without paying an exorbitant price knows that you have some very weird routings.  I've been recommended flights to Europe via Shanghai/Beijing/Amsterdam ...

While it's not sensible to rule terrorism out, it seems very unusual to actually risk travelling on stolen passports. It strikes me more as some kind of illegal immigration deal.

The fact that the search area is being expanded and changed quite significantly, suggests the idea that the plane changed course might have some validity.
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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2014, 09:58:06 PM »


Not really... it certainly suggests back-channel immigration to me more than terror
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« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2014, 12:38:23 AM »

Planes are full of foam ... even mid-air disintegration would have left signs. The degree to which the Malaysian military is covering its arse is... Interesting.
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« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2014, 07:19:45 PM »

It's not that complicated. It's obvious by now that there was some sort of suicide mission by the pilot. The transponders were turned off deliberately. The only question is the motivation.

Um, nothing is obvious about this thing yet.
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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2014, 05:28:47 PM »

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/radar-shows-plane-deliberately-flew-toward-indian-ocean-reports-n52561

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The article also mentions that scientists at the University of Science and Technology of China report that they detected a "seismic event" consistent with a plane crash "on the sea floor close to where the missing jet disappeared from civilian radar screens" at 2:55am, which would have been ~90 minutes after the plane was last seen by civilian radar.


I don't buy this - planes generally don't hit the bottom like the Titanic.

And I kind of agree with Ernest here, why would anyone with a motive to proclaim bring the plane down in a way that it can't be found?

There is something seriously fishy about this whole thing and frankly I'm having a hard time thinking of plausible scenarios.
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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2014, 12:04:43 AM »

Malaysian now saying the flight was hijacked and that it's not a theory, it's "conclusive".  

http://news.yahoo.com/malaysian-investigators-conclude-flight-hijacked-035744022.html

I'm sure the "conclusive" part is subject to change

Everything from the Malaysians has been subject to change.
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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2014, 07:32:07 AM »

It's a hijacking no doubt. They'll find it. Patience.

To me, in some ways, it's just too perfect.

Even though it was a night time flight... some passengers would have known something was wrong. No phone calls? Flight-crews are very well trained when it comes to hijackings... if anyone knew something was wrong they did... and they didn't act? Or try to get a message out?

I mean, flying for 7.5 hours ... did they incapacitate 230 people?
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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2014, 08:06:58 AM »

It's a hijacking no doubt. They'll find it. Patience.

To me, in some ways, it's just too perfect.

Even though it was a night time flight... some passengers would have known something was wrong. No phone calls? Flight-crews are very well trained when it comes to hijackings... if anyone knew something was wrong they did... and they didn't act? Or try to get a message out?

I mean, flying for 7.5 hours ... did they incapacitate 230 people?
Why not ? If they were like half a dozen, they could well kill 230 people. See Breivik.

Again, there are explanations, but it just all seems so odd... Why bother hijacking a plane if you didn't intend to announce it? If your intention wasn't to actually kill everyone ... would you do something to damage the plane if you intended to use it?

All of these things in isolation have explanations, but together, they fit together far too well.
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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2014, 06:17:48 PM »

The latest rumour ... sigh, is that the Indian Military night have shot it down over the Andaman Islands ... unresponsive passenger liner, heading towards its large-scale military and space facilities...
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« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2014, 09:29:47 PM »

Oh for God's sake...
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« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2014, 11:36:56 PM »

The latest rumour ... sigh, is that the Indian Military night have shot it down over the Andaman Islands ... unresponsive passenger liner, heading towards its large-scale military and space facilities...

According to who? India shooting it down over the Andamans is inconsistent with the data we have about the engines running for 4 hours.

The theory about the plane going into the southern Indian ocean is interesting as that is a good way of making sure no one ever finds the plane. Maybe it was a pilot suicide but he didn't want the truth to come out?

As I said, rumour.

The fact that the Indians have apparently been asked to halt the SaR activities, suggests more and more to me that there's evidence the Northern corridor is being phased out and the focus is on the Southern towards the middle of the Southern Indian Ocean...

If that is the case... unless they've made some kind of crash landing in the Western Australian desert, there's almost nowhere landing is plausible... that part of the Indian Ocean is pretty much the absolute limit of the plane's capacity.
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« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2014, 01:52:12 AM »


It's not a bad theory at all, but it does seem to appear that the evidence is shifting the focus to the South, rather than Central Asia.

IF the plane was hijacked for a purpose, taking it to Central Asia makes perfect sense... it's just that the evidence as it stands does not support that.
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« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2014, 03:30:37 AM »

This is why heightened security at airports, another Patriot Act, and armed federal officers on our flights. At least a quarter of the total number of passengers should be there for security.

What?
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« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2014, 09:43:37 PM »

The thing about the Russian theory? Why?
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« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2014, 11:38:04 PM »

Australia to lead Southern Indian Ocean search
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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2014, 10:05:27 PM »

Radio this morning was quoting reports from the Maldives of a very low-flying jet passing overhead and continuing out to sea at about the right time for this flight to have possibly have reached there. Apparently said jet was white with red stripes.

So... we have sightings in the Maldives, we have a search area the size of France 3000km to the west of Perth, we have the theory of an electrical fire (which is plausible), the satellite images that could be wreckage in the Straits of Malacca... it's just f'ing nuts.
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« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2014, 10:25:49 PM »

Radio this morning was quoting reports from the Maldives of a very low-flying jet passing overhead and continuing out to sea at about the right time for this flight to have possibly have reached there. Apparently said jet was white with red stripes.

So... we have sightings in the Maldives, we have a search area the size of France 3000km to the west of Perth, we have the theory of an electrical fire (which is plausible), the satellite images that could be wreckage in the Straits of Malacca... it's just f'ing nuts.

Speaking of f'ing nuts:

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/courtney-love-claims-she-may-have-found-malaysia-airlines-flight-370-picture-2014183

Wouldn't it be the one awesome element of this story? Courtney Love solves MH370 mystery with MS Paint
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« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2014, 07:59:29 AM »

Thing to consider is that the Titanic wreck is at just under 3800m ... and that's considered a big deal to get down here (2 hours down and 2 back up) ...

RF - that's the Rockhopper Penguin, they almost exclusively are in South Atlantic. But that close to Antarctica, there are penguins a-plenty on all of those little outcrops
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« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2014, 07:19:23 AM »

The thing to consider is that while is obviously sea-junk in the water, it's not an especially busy area of shipping. Certainly nothing like aquatic junk-yards the South China Sea, the Straits of Malacca or even further North in Indian Ocean are. 
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