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Fmr President & Senator Polnut
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« on: September 11, 2014, 08:12:21 PM »

First of all, this would be incredibly easy to defraud. For example, when I was a kid, my grandmother lived in our house, not because she was totally unable to take care of herself, but because my grandfather was deceased and it would be a bad idea for her to live alone. Under this program, my mother (a housewife) could simply claim to be her "carer" and collect government benefits.

Isn't the point of Social Security to provide people with income with which to pay for retirement expenses such as hiring personal carers or moving into a retirement home? This seems redundant in that regard.

Finally, I don't think we should create any new benefit programs until the basic income discussion is fully settled. Doing so will only make it more difficult to try and figure out how to incorporate/fold in previous programs into the basic income scheme.

I'd urge you to look at the Atlasian Social Security Act... it might help with context.
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Fmr President & Senator Polnut
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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2014, 08:52:19 PM »

Did we ever pass the previous Support for Carers Bill or was that failed last year?

It got tabled

The other point Mr President, is that it's not just about the elderly but the disabled of any age.
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Fmr President & Senator Polnut
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2014, 06:41:32 PM »

Problem is... we need to get an idea of cost... hmmm
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Fmr President & Senator Polnut
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2014, 07:49:05 PM »

I can appoint SirNick, who is eager and willing to be GM, on the 19th - not today (17th). So that's the update there. Aside from cost issues, some measures to prevent abuse of this would be needed (because it's pretty broad), but we can worry about that once we get some cost figures.

Let's wait until we have a GM, then can add details ...
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« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2014, 09:25:58 PM »

It's heartbreaking to see this happen again.

But we cannot do it justice without the GM giving us an idea of costs.
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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2014, 05:52:42 AM »

Abstain
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