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Fmr President & Senator Polnut
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« on: February 12, 2008, 06:26:21 PM »

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Actually all these are VERY bad for Clinton.
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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2008, 06:49:49 PM »

Isn't Clinton's "Wait 'til Texas and Ohio" strategy looking too much like Rudy Giuliani's "Wait 'til Florida" strategy?

No.

Giuliani was stupid enough to wait through the two key momentum builders - Iowa and New Hampshire - then because of that made a half-arsed effort in MI - got obliterated in all three, then many voters realised that inevitable truth about a Giuliani candidacy - he was a one-trick pony, who was in many ways repellant to many primary voters. States wouldn't risk losing all influence if they didn't think being an early primary/caucus didn't matter. Momentum mattered - Giuliani sat on his hands and let McCain suck up his support.

If Clinton doesn't focus anywhere except OH and TX - then she's kidding herself. Obama has the lead in pledged delegates, he's got all the momentum and the money, she needs a win - just to steady the ship, if nothing else.
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E: -2.71, S: -5.22

« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2008, 06:54:33 PM »

Isn't Clinton's "Wait 'til Texas and Ohio" strategy looking too much like Rudy Giuliani's "Wait 'til Florida" strategy?

No.

Giuliani was stupid enough to wait through the two key momentum builders - Iowa and New Hampshire - then because of that made a half-arsed effort in MI - got obliterated in all three, then many voters realised that inevitable truth about a Giuliani candidacy - he was a one-trick pony, who was in many ways repellant to many primary voters. States wouldn't risk losing all influence if they didn't think being an early primary/caucus didn't matter. Momentum mattered - Giuliani sat on his hands and let McCain suck up his support.

If Clinton doesn't focus anywhere except OH and TX - then she's kidding herself. Obama has the lead in pledged delegates, he's got all the momentum and the money, she needs a win - just to steady the ship, if nothing else.


She seems to be skipping right over Wisconsin.

I think that move could kill her campaign. She has to try for Wisconsin, it's an important symbolic state at the very least.
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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2008, 07:06:03 PM »


Well I want something interesting to happen tonight.
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2008, 07:56:45 PM »

I'm looking here.

https://www.voterinfo.sbe.virginia.gov/election/DATA/2008/F88C865B-87AB-494E-8C2E-599FED2DF7C6/Unofficial/1_s.shtml
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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2008, 08:02:13 PM »


Get out!
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2008, 08:27:56 PM »


Top of the page, but, yeah, he's a hack. For Clinton.

Which of course is the bad kind of hack.
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2008, 09:46:47 PM »

I'm looking at the exit polls for VA and MD - they are far worse for Clinton overall than just these victories for Obama.

Losing the white vote in VA, the AA vote doesn't exceed a 1/3 in either primary.

Clinton is losing ground EVERYWHERE.
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