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Zaybay
Junior Chimp
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« on: July 28, 2018, 06:27:04 PM »

I dont really agree with this idea. Its rather unlikely that Trump's populism becomes the new brand of the GOP in the future.

First of all, the Trump strategy of Populism will keep them out of the whitehouse. States in the South such as AZ, GA, and TX are trending away from the GOP, and the gains that Trump was able to make in the rustbelt are easily counteracted by the gains in the south. Trump-brand populism won the rural areas in the Rust Belt, but lost him the suburban core of the GOP. By the GOP continuing down this path, they would effectively be forfeiting the Whitehouse to Dem control. And this doesnt even mention how tenuous the hold on the Rust Belt is, with the entire thing swinging against Trump hard. If the DEM party follows the path of Sanders and Left-Wing Populism, its easy to see the GOP shattered in The Rust Belt, and in their rural areas as well.

The house would also be given to the Dems with this strategy. While Rs have been able to hold it with their suburban dominance, the double down on Right Wing populism would only continue to weaken their hold. If 2018 and 2020 lead to many reversals of gerrymanders in states such as NC, WI, PA, and so on, the Dems will likely hold the house for the next decade or so.

The Senate would be the only thing under likely R control in this scenario, and even then, its tenuous. While Rs won 30 states in 2016, and have 3 GOP senators in D states, (Collins, Heller, Gardner), the Dems have a total of 12 senators in states Trump had won. Combine that with the trending D states of AZ, GA, and TX getting D senators in the future, and the swingyness of the RustBelt, and DEM senators weird ability to get elected in Red States, and you have a chamber that is only tilt R.

So, overall, the idea that Right-Wing populism will dominate the GOP is ludicrous, as this would basically forfeit the entire country to Dem control. If such a scenario were to occur, its likely it would be a repeat of early American politics, with the Dems being the Democratic-Republicans, and the GOP being the Federalists. One party would have basic control of the entire government, and the other would be a more regional party. And, if such a scenario were to occur, it would likely cause the D party to split in two, and for those to be the new two parties in our system.

Whats likely to occur, as the GOP noted in 2012, is a step away social conservatism, and to become a more Libertarian Party. This would ensure their survival, against the Democratic Party.

I get Trump shocked everyone when he won, but just because the party is taking after him right now doesnt mean it will in the future. The Dem party didnt take after Carter, and neither will the Rep Party, lest they give up competing with the Democratic Party entirely.
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Zaybay
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2018, 07:29:32 PM »

So, overall, the idea that Right-Wing populism will dominate the GOP is ludicrous, as this would basically forfeit the entire country to Dem control. If such a scenario were to occur, its likely it would be a repeat of early American politics, with the Dems being the Democratic-Republicans, and the GOP being the Federalists. One party would have basic control of the entire government, and the other would be a more regional party. And, if such a scenario were to occur, it would likely cause the D party to split in two, and for those to be the new two parties in our system.

The thing is, it doesn't matter what kind of losses such a change in the party triggers. It makes sense why one would think about it like this, but you're being too rational and focused on electoral performance. This isn't about winning or losing so much as it is about what people believe and what the GOP pols believe they need to deliver for their constituents. You could argue that the changes in the Democratic Party through the late 70s/80s-onwards triggered its massive losses of power post-1994 (I'd disagree in a number of ways, but I digress), but even with people making this connection, it still took decades for significant opposition to develop to the Third Way stuff. That is what will probably happen in the GOP. The Republican Party is really having quite an unflattering moment for itself. The policy agenda of the country club Republicans is out of step with an increasingly working class-heavy base, and it can't stay like this forever. However I'm sure after Republicans get cast into the political wilderness for a good long while, they'll have their own internal backlash and the party will shift again.

But we are jumping the gun on this. Reagan was able to change the fundementally change the GOP, not because he won the presidency, but because he was popular, and was able to lead commanding GOP victories accross the board. He was able to influence the party that had previously thought of him as crazy and beliveing in "Voodoo economics". Same with FDR and Woodrow Wilson. Most Dems were southerners at the time, and the Ds catered to their needs. Poor workers rights, free trade, social conservatism, etc. But with the victories of Wilson and FDR came a new influence on the Democrats, progressive economics.

Trump, so far, has lead the GOP to nothing but disaster, and he has failed at the job of changing the party. Obama failed to do the same, and so did Bush. They failed to influence their party and push it in a new, radical direction. Many Republicans, after Bush, despised him, and openly spat on "moral conservatism". Many Democrats now see Obama as synonymous with compromise, centrism, and spinelessness. How long after Trump leaves the GOP in a terrible state will they turn on him? Probably the month after he leaves office.

And I disagree that such a situation would be similar to the Dem wilderness of the later 20th century. During that time, while they had lost their grip on the presidency, they still retained the iron hold on the house, and sometimes senate. Its possible that the GOP will be locked out of all three. GOP politicians will want nothing to do with Trump after such a disastrous run.

And I think you overestimate the resolve of voter's ideology. I doubt many in the GOP were a fan of tariffs, building a wall, etc. before the 2016 election, and I doubt many DEM voters were a fan of single payer, federal jobs guarantee, etc. Voters are fickle, and will follow the voice of their party, who ever it may be. Reagan's ideas were unpopular at first, but he gained traction as time went on, to the point where that is the defining characteristic of the modern GOP. Many voters in Britain would have scoffed at the idea of nationalization, or the end of austerity, but now it seems that Labour is totally committed to it under the leadership of Corbyn.

What im trying to say is that its unwise to declare that the GOP will follow Trumpism to the end, just because he is popular now with the GOP base. Based on history, the current GOP prospects, and how fickle voters are, its unlikely most of his ideology will stick with the Rs in the future.
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