Impeachment Megathread Part 3

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Support for impeachment is actually increasing...

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

Yep, new Morning Consult poll has impeachment at +10 and remove at +8

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After the Parnas interview, no sane person can claim that Trump is innocent. It is as simple as that. I know that it won't matter, but it really is as simple as that.

Yep.

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McSally is already having meltdowns over this

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1217822020848771074

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Frivolous.  That pretty much sums it up.  The Democrats simply do not have a well-established basis for impeaching the President, and their arbitrary application of the impeachment process is akin to prosecutorial overreach in criminal cases. 

They are fabricating an impeachable offense out of a legitimate constitutional question regarding whether the executive branches exclusive domain over foreign affairs puts a limit on the legislative branches power to control money that they’ve authorized to go to foreign nations.  The Democrats claim that Trump is violating a 1972 law that limits the power of the President to line-item-veto bills, but that is only true if the constitutional question is answered.  However, we can never really get to that question, because the Democrats violated that same law and the Constitution when they failed to exhaust all remedies provided under the law before initiating impeachment. 

Not that it even matters.  Nobody in the country knows what charges are contained in the articles of impeachment, nor would 99% of them understand the legalese.  It’s pretty new.  Like real new.  Like liberal law reviews and articles just came out with these new interpretations within the last year for the sole purpose of making some BS argument to impeach the President.   

Obstruction of congress?  Come on.  That’s a joke.  I’ve heard of contempt of congress, but “obstruction of congress”?  If this were actual court, 100% the attorney that tried to argue “obstruction of congress” is subject to loss of licensure by the BAR for misleading the court.  That’s just fact. 

You are trying incredibly hard here. Stop. Trump broke the law, abused his office, and obstructed congress at every turn. The ones who were being ridiculous yesterday were the Republicans, who absolutely straight out lied at every turn.

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Basically every poll now has a plurality saying Trump should be removed, which wasn't the case before.

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It has become readily apparent in the last few days that there is no chance any republican senator will break with McConnell. We'll probably see more comments from Murkowski, Romney and Collins about how upset they are with the process but thats just icing on an already baked cake.

THIS. That's why it's laughable and such bad faith that pundits on the networks (esp CNN) keep pushing the "Well what are you doing to get Republicans on board? Are the Dems making enough of a case?!!!" as if it was ever going to happen in the first place

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The polls keep moving in the wrong direction for Trump:

https://twitter.com/ameliatd/status/1220348769931317249?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctw...

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The problem with the "Partisan impeachment" argument is that even back in 1999, I don't think anyone would've predicted that it would be so partisan and people wouldn't act in good faith. You legitimately have almost all Republicans willing to be on Trump's side despite *everything*. That negates any argument about that, considering all the evidence in the world could be infront of them, Rs would vote to acquit, and that's... not Democrats fault. It's also not Democrats fault if they're the only ones willing to hold someone accountable.

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What is Manchin's game here? He's not up again until 2024.

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Agreed about the partisan impeachment issue being a non-starter. Polls have consistently showed a plurality now okay with impeach AND remove. That includes a lot of independents a few of Republicans. However, it rarely gets brought up that that's a thing.

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Basically all the pro-Trump people here aren't using logic and aren't making any arguments in good faith, so.