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Tetro Kornbluth
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« on: December 06, 2013, 01:02:27 AM »

Just a random thought (it is 7AM here but Sleep is for the weak and I'm bored and in my introspective mood)...

Popular and to a large degree "intellectual" (whatever that means) discourse about sex often, if not explicitly invokes the concept of repression. There is a simple model here; we have a singular 'natural' sexuality that is clear and obvious to us and that we should try to, within the bounds of reason (however defined) and the law try to fulfill those desires associated with it (that we know a priori). To deny one's desires is repress one's sexuality and this is bad because it means we not only fail at life (so defined) but become angry and irritable and possibly (if we are men at least) more aggressive and violent. Per this theory, celibacy being 'unnatural' is likely to lead to, at least unhappiness, if not so transformations (Isn't this some Freudian remnant?) of one's sexuality into other, less benign (it is so supposed) areas. Certainly following some discussions on related issues (in many places, I'm thinking here of thinking like Priestly celibacy not to mention the boring eruptions of nerds, pseudo-nerds and wannabes about 'friendzoning') I would find it hard to argue that a lot of these views aren't commonly held even if they are never stated as such.

Now I would like to know - and I know I'm in the wrong place here but I'm treating Atlas as a tabula rasa to my thoughts - is whether this is any actual evidence to it. I mean serious evidence - not just we did this experiment with 25 US undergraduates and they confirmed some folk wisdom type evidence. I'd say it's quite likely that a lot of the above is true but would that make it any less than the superstition that it has largely become?

*Now wonders how long it will take before the Mikado makes a Foucault reference*
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Tetro Kornbluth
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« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2013, 07:51:04 PM »

I'm tempted to write a TL;DR post outlining my thoughts on this much further but I don't have the energy right now so I'll just leave two related points

1) What because I'm getting at more than whether 'repression' is unhealthy is whether repression is possible at all. The whole idea comes from early twentienth century psychology and psychoanalysis with its metaphors stuck in the notion of machines and energies and forces (as opposed to now where the metaphor is computational... Is repression 'hard wired'?). The way I see it is that if repression exists, it must be as 'natural' as the sexuality it counters. Or put it another way, how is it possible to have an unnatural thought? All thoughts, assuming materialism to be true (and I think it must be), are products of the brain. The brain is an organ of the body with an evolutionary history. Therefore all thoughts are products of nature. Therefore unnatural thought is an oxymoron. Therefore repression - whatever it is - is natural. All human behaviour is natural (thus to claim there is a human nature is a misrepresentation of statistics)

Usually the way of explaining this therefore is to invoke culture. So that the cultural environment creates these ideas which somehow contradict with our 'natural' desires (Ah, so you are an externalist). But this, again, is a metaphor of layers, that there is a cultural layer on top of the 'you' layer and these struggle with each other. Now this may be true, but I want evidence dammit. Besides with my training in Anthropology has led me to doubt a lot whether you can abstract a person from their culture or environment as if we exist in some way separate from these things.

Before anyone complains and say I'm damaging the reputation of humankind or of homosexuals or whatever, I suggest you look here

2) Back as a second year undergrad I did a seminar on Nationalism and in my class I had to read a paper by (and here goes my pretense at scientificity) Slavoj Zizek. In the paper using the usual Lacanian pseudo-intellectual gymnastics Zizek argued, in his oh so Contrarian way that nationalism was a positive and revolutionary force as it way in which communities organized their enjoyment. Now, there is a lot of rubbish here and I'm not interested in claiming any empirical reality for Lacan or for Zizek (as none exists), but the idea has long struck me as not totally unsound. That the things a certain people do and believe and think has a meaning within their own semiotic frame of reference and for such people such actions make sense and are true as long as that frame of reference holds within that community and for each individual. We all have differing perceptions to which we attach labels and therefore significance (or insignificance) and we can not be certain how well those labels apply even to ourselves given the limitations of introspection, thus how can we be certain of the experiences of other peoples?
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Tetro Kornbluth
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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2013, 08:52:34 AM »

I feel a bit out of the loop about Atlas culture these days, so just to check: middle-aged man bragging to teen virgins about his big c*ck is still the coolest person ever, right?

This seems to be the case.
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Tetro Kornbluth
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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2013, 05:51:42 PM »

What a sad little thread this turned out to be.

Yeah, sorry Afleitch.
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