Could Hillary lose in '16, then win in '20?

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Honestly, I though 2008 was. I still remember the first clear sign that it wasn't - me and one other Obama volunteer were driving back from Norfolk when she suddenly said, "I hope Hillary runs in 2016." Of course I said stuff about I hope she does too, I'm a huge fan of hers, blah blah blah, which is all obviously true but I was surprised. After the 2008 primary I really thought she was done.

The next sign was an OFA event in D.C. in late 2012 or early 2013 I can't remember. At that the closing presentation I was sitting next to this middle aged white lawyer and for some reason we started talking about Mark Warner. I offhandedly mentioned that there were murmurs he was thinking of running for president in 2016. To my surprise (since Warner was and is very popular) he gave somewhat of a face and said he didn't think Warner was presidential caliber. Then I mentioned Martin O'Malley. He said, no. I said, why not? He said, he wanted Hillary to run. Also mentioned something about the first woman. Of course I had to agree and grinned.

Not too long after that I heard Adam Parkhomenko was starting this PAC called Ready for Hillary.

But if she loses in '16, I think she's really done.