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Marokai Backbeat
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« on: July 13, 2011, 07:30:13 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2011, 09:41:53 PM »
« Edited: July 13, 2011, 09:43:52 PM by Marokai Sovereign »

Now please keep in mind, America: it's the Republican leadership that's acting childish, not the individual that stormed out of negotiations.

On nearly every single contentious issue in his presidency Obama has tried to make compromising deals and include Republican support. Republicans however have tried to grand stand and block every single thing they can regardless of their past or even present opinions on the issue. Obama and the  Democrats attempted to meet the Republicans at nearly all of their requests in cuts. At one point they were offered 83% of what they wanted, basically, including cuts to Medicare and Social Security, and they turned it down, demanding even more.

Obama's been a saint to put up with the garbage month after month after month. I can hardly blame him for being exasperated.
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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2011, 02:05:13 PM »

http://www.gallup.com/poll/148454/Debt-Ceiling-Increase-Remains-Unpopular-Americans.aspx

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/562535/201102081909/Nyet-On-Debt.aspx

Mr. president, please make this an issue with the American people. Just make sure you listen, rather than tell them what you want them to think.

Even Gallup cannot hide how unpopular it is, the same pollster that highly off in the presidential race last go around.

Nope.  Tell them what to think because people (understandably) have no idea what the debt ceiling is or what will happen if it's not raised.  Better than listening to them say "Don't you dare raise the debt ceiling" and then in a month listening to them rant about "Why the f didn't you raise the debt ceiling?!"

Left-wing in a nut-shell, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for being stereotypical.

It's ridiculous to try and be faux populist about this and act all offended when someone tells you what is factually correct.

The debt ceiling increase can be as unpopular as all get-out, but that doesn't change the fact that it must be raised. There's no getting around this. Even under the craziest of budgets, even under the Republicans' own budget, it must be raised. That's because raising the debt ceiling has nothing to do with more spending, it has to do with committments that have already been made, money that has already been spent.

Leadership is not about bending to the fickle whims of the public whenever the wind starts to blow in one direction or another, it's about doing the right thing and doing what has to be done. This is practically housekeeping, it's a routine issue that rarely generated much to-do in the past. It shouldn't be an issue because it's a basic necessity and something that has to be raised (no matter what) unless we want a world economic crash.

Also, if you want to play up to the fickle whims of the public just remember it can be used against you just as quickly. Since you're all about "the people" I guess you're totally cool with additional taxes on the wealthy, since that has widespread public support..
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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2011, 02:15:38 PM »

Unless we want our credit rating cut, default on our loans and see our stock market tumble 1500 points, we will raise the debt limit. This isn't the time to play politics, and while raising it is unpopular, most of the public doesn't understand what is at stake.

So when did you turn into a leftist and start hating 'the people'?
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