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Marokai Backbeat
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« on: October 04, 2015, 09:33:28 AM »

I have a strong dislike for the intellectually dishonest and for those who value politeness over liberal ideals.
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« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2015, 10:07:50 AM »


Many of their arguments and actions are fundamentally illiberal, though, which is why I don't really consider these people all that liberal. They're "progressives", not liberals, and historically progressives have been all too happy to turn authoritarian to accomplish their goals with scarily similar tactics to the conservative establishment that the counterculture that was born out of colleges and universities rose up against. Remember for instance that the prohibition movement had s**tloads of overlap with the progressive movement, who believed that alcohol was a very male social ill destroying families that needed to be stamped out.

How they act in their spheres of influence is enough to tell me I want nothing to do with them because they are very definitely not liberal-minded. Shut down this campus newspaper, don't utter those words, people should have the right to opt out of school curriculum if it upsets their delicate sensibilities, don't allow people we disagree with to speak at our venues, extra-judicial arms of the university that throw people out for the slightest of excuse, no trial necessary, everything is problematic and things being problematic is problematic. Season to taste with incorrect statistics and hypocritical cultural relativism.

Those are not liberal, free-thinking ideals. Those are the sort of things campuses rose up against, and provided the backbone of the free speech movement that fought against obscenity and revisionism. That buoyed people like George Carlin, who would likely be disowned by many student activists today. That they've made something of an enemy out of the ACLU nowadays speaks volumes.
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« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2015, 11:13:17 AM »
« Edited: October 04, 2015, 11:14:27 PM by Marokai Backbeat »

I have no trouble admitting that not all speech is good, and that not every instance of someone being a provocateur is all that enlightening or useful. But that is just that. My opinion. My subjective interpretation. Living in a world where subjective interpretations of speech inform what speech is allowed frightens me. It should frighten anyone.
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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2015, 01:14:13 PM »

-A fatalistic "us v.s them" mentality that negates any chance of reasonable discourse or compromise.

By far my least favorite thing about them is that you're more likely to have a dialogue with a young earth creationist than a social justice activist, who are quite content to hide in their own communities and do most of their work on social media where debate is nearly impossible. And then there's the increasing number of sites that are abolishing comment sections. Guess what those have in common.

I'm probably more likely to personally have a conversation with Kent Hovind than certain members of this forum.
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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2015, 01:01:54 PM »

all skeleton jokes aside - it's flagrantly obvious that most of the people in this thread have never actually interacted with skeletons

But that's exactly the point, it's mostly a internet culture, unless you're student or work on a American college, you're not going to interact with these people. We other "meet" them on the internet, where they poison discussion specifict and behave obnoxious in general. You can just as well say that 4chan and MRA doesn't exist just because most of us are lucky enough to never interact with these people in meatspace.

no i'm including on the internet

In that case start reading the gawker and related sites, and especially look at the comments.

how precious. next you'll suggest we read the fox news comments section, and call that "interacting with people who watch the news"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
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« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2015, 06:11:58 PM »

TIL I'm part of internet bro culture.
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