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Marokai Backbeat
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« on: March 26, 2009, 06:49:15 PM »

Eh, I'm still not sold on the idea of changing the game from an election sim to a government sim. And I think that we'd end up scaring off more people who don't want to be active in legislative matters.

I echo these concerns. I made some points in another thread about the struggle we could have keeping people active in the legislature and meeting majority vote thresholds as well. Imagine if everyone was part of a lower House now, half of the population doesn't take an interest in Atlasia.
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Marokai Backbeat
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Posts: 17,477
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E: -7.42, S: -7.39

« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2009, 09:49:19 PM »
« Edited: March 26, 2009, 09:52:07 PM by AG Marokai Blue »

Eh, I'm still not sold on the idea of changing the game from an election sim to a government sim. And I think that we'd end up scaring off more people who don't want to be active in legislative matters.

I don't believe it removes the election sim component of the game, although that would obviously be based on the precise detail we include in the constitution if we moved towards this model. The draft that I suggested would still include 15 elected Senators, plus a Prime Minister elected by the Lower House - currently we have 10 elected Senators, 5 elected Governors, 5 elected Lieutenant Governors who don't seem to do much, and a President. So the model I brought forward is 15 elected representatives plus a Head of Government/Head of State and the current model is 15 elected representatives, 5 generally inactive elected representatives and a Head of Government/Head of State. In terms of the number of elected positions, the model I brought forward and the current model are virtually identical.

You're still handing everyone an office the day they sign up and changing the very foundation of what "Atlas Fantasy Elections" has always been. The game is no longer about citizens on the outside working to build up their reputation and contribute good work to get involved in the legislature around the time of big elections, the game would be all about government, which quite frankly is a little dull.

I don't find the idea of a game comprised mostly of a government sim as very fun.

Also, if you take away dual office holding, how would those in the Senate have more power than those in the House? I don't see how one House is more powerful than the other unless you say the Senate is more powerful by having slightly more people than the Lower House. Say what you like about our current system, but I quite like the ability of being able to work as a citizen not necessarily in political office, and working your way up the ladder by working hard, or getting elected to regional offices, and eventually higher office. Changing the game to a government sim almost entirely, and for all practical purposes, having two identical houses in the legislature, that involved everyone, would seem to take alot of the excitement and relaxation out of the game.

Also I have some unrelated concerns.

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