Ancient France's Provinces Survivor - Normandie ! BBF commits suicide

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Lorraine out! No! And the Quiche! And the coal, and the iron...

Well Artois will go, so no need to push for it, let's give points to other ones for the future:

Picardie 2
Maine 2
Flandres 2

Vlaanderen

Well, yes, if we speak in a XXVIIIth century context 'Vlanderen' might be relevant, now it is no more at all. French Flanders are more culturally French than Alsatians, there isn't the slightest cultural claims around a 'Flemish identity' in French Flanders today, today that are Ch'tis, something quite different. Those who would claim for a Flemish identity in French Flanders are actually a hand of guys, and of sweetily nuts bras-cassés (way to mean awkward in French).

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Vlaanderen

Well, yes, if we speak in a XXVIIIth century context 'Vlanderen' might be relevant, now it is no more at all. French Flanders are more culturally French than Alsatians, there isn't the slightest cultural claims around a 'Flemish identity' in French Flanders today, today that are Ch'tis, something quite different. Those who would claim for a Flemish identity in French Flanders are actually a hand of guys, and of sweetily nuts bras-cassés (way to mean awkward in French).

I know... just because I'm a regionalist doesn't mean that I live in utopist cultural lala land, for the umpteenth time. It's really an annoying attitude.

As I said it might be legitimate in a XVIIIth century, dunno exactly when they lost Flemish cultural claims, in case they 'always' had the same cultural identity than in the rest of Flanders. Thus coming here with the name Vlandereen might legitimately be up to question and raise some, especially, yes, knowing your background. Wasn't making an assumption on where you psychologically live, just had interrogations about the use of this name here knowing the cultural situation there.

For a regional cultural today's name claim would seem it could be 'Ch'nord' for Flandres.

As an aside, it's rather ironical than the French Flanders are so rid of Flemish cultural claims, when we know what happens on the other side of this Schengen border.

As to the survivor:

I really wonder wtf with all these Touraine.

So, let's get rid of the North definitely now:

Picardie 2
Maine 2

I keep Gascogne finally, because of Toulouse, though, on this map I'm not sure where would be Toulouse, on most other maps on the net Toulouse is barely not in, but in term of cultural identity, I would see it as far more Gascon than Languedocien.

Anyhow, my next big target is:

Bretagne >>> 1 Larguez les amares! Let's put it in the middle of the Atlantic, that would make a fine stage to go in America, and new biological perspectives...

Maybe I'll miss its elimination though, I'll be away during about one week, and not sure I would go on Internet, then, enjoy!

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So, with Ile-de-France and Languedoc you finally erased me and my whole family. Congrats all.

Too bad I couldn't defend Auvergne, Lorraine, Champagne, Provence. But I'll be here for Savoie, the late add-on is still here!

Can someone explain me why Bretagne isn't in the middle of the Atlantic yet? Something wrong here. So:

4 Bretagne (I keep Nantes and Saint-Nazaire though, take Vendée if you want in exchange)
3 Orléanais (oh hell, Beauce...)
2 Gasgogne (too much  noise)
1 Well, it's a tie between Bourgogne and Guyenne, it will be Bourgogne, I feel less close of it.

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Isn't that nice? I come back and Bretagne leaves. Life isn't always badly done.

*facepalm*...

Why?

Anyhow:

Eliminate:

2 Orléanais
1 Gascogne

Keep:

Savoie

assholes. Go die in a gaz chamber.

You know, Hash, that this is the only sub-board inside this forum where you aren't "infracted" for those... personal remarks ?

Clientélisme! Corruption is the beginning of the fail of an institution...

That being said, I wouldn't infract for this personally, then...

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assholes. Go die in a gaz chamber.

You know, Hash, that this is the only sub-board inside this forum where you aren't "infracted" for those... personal remarks ?

Well, Hash is... equal to himself , of course. While I wouldn't have said it that way, it's really a shame Bretagne was eliminated.

Now I know why facepalm, but I still don't know why it's a shame. I plead for a Celtic Archipel not so far from Europe, let's say in Northern Atlantic, about the same distance than Azores, all 'Celtic Nations' there, that'd be fancy.

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assholes. Go die in a gaz chamber.

You know, Hash, that this is the only sub-board inside this forum where you aren't "infracted" for those... personal remarks ?

Well, Hash is... equal to himself , of course. While I wouldn't have said it that way, it's really a shame Bretagne was eliminated.

Now I know why facepalm, but I still don't know why it's a shame. I plead for a Celtic Archipel not so far from Europe, let's say in Northern Atlantic, about the same distance than Azores, all 'Celtic Nations' there, that'd be fancy.

It's a shame because Bretagne is one of the richest regions in terms of history, culture and regional identity. I fail to see how anyone could say the contrary. Of course, I understand the purpose of those who want to oust it because it's one of the least "french" provinces, but I disagree with their logic (by this reasoning Bavaria should be the first German Land and Québec the first Canadian province to be ousted).

Well, I actually have nothing against Bretagne and this being part of France, but it's not more or less rich in History than most of other French provinces, moreover in the history of the French Country and then Nation it would have less historical importance than most of others, being alone in it's corner. This plus its cultural particularities, coming from an other cultural sphere, the Celtic one, could be good reasons for me to be out before several others. That being said, I don't see it really less French than most of other French regions today.

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Hash, just let me know if you are too sad to keep on voting here.

I'm sorry, but if so: lol.

Moreover, the fact to have someone who overreact to something is an appeal to push on that same thing, it's part of the game.

In case of all of this had to be said and seriously considered, indeed.

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Moreover, the fact to have someone who overreact to something is an appeal to push on that same thing, it's part of the game.

Oh, bugger off, for Christ's sake.

Someone took something bad. Darling this comment was accompanied by:

In case of all of this had to be said and seriously considered, indeed.

Don't feel forced to show it was the case to if it wasn't.

Stop feeling persecuted Mr...hmm...which name did you self attribute to yourself last time?...Dangerous Reactionary Regionalist? Something like that? Yeah, stop feeling persecuted each time I raise an interrogation about something you say, without even daring giving precisions about the interrogation, then each time I've to make comments like 'in case...'. It was like when we discussed regionalism a long time ago, you kept saying 'I'm not that! I'm not this! I'm not blahblhablha', while I only discussed some kinds of regionalisms and never spoke about you, since you've never been a topic of thesis of mines. Yeah, stop to feel personally attacked, in the latter case, the fact you stopped to participate could make wonder whether you took something seriously about what was going on here, which would be pretty petty from someone who exaggerates in his reactions, then I feel forced to set such a comment. Stop to think you're under attacks or something, and anyhow since you enjoy open fire on people, in case it would happen, don't complain.

Well, not that I care much, you do what you want, but I just feel forced to give a few precisions given your last charming comment, which was one more time not motivated.

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Don't feel forced to show it was the case to if it wasn't.

Uh, yeah, because I never quite understood what that meant. I reread that line 5 times and still don't understand it.

Yeah, I wasn't proud of my syntax here, but ultimately i thought it could make sense, thanks for telling it doesn't, I meant don't feel forced to show that you could have eventually taken all of this seriously, given your last charming comment.

Stop feeling persecuted Mr...hmm...which name did you self attribute to yourself last time?...Dangerous Reactionary Regionalist? Something like that?

Yeah, in case you didn't notice, I like sarcasm and that username was a joke. An hyperbolic joke.

Both of us might have limits in the sarcasm, and apparently it wouldn't be the same ones, I don't know, but this 'joke' could have made thought that you took my interrogation about your use of 'Vlandereen' as a personal attack from me, something I would think about you, which I don't really, we already debated about that.

Yeah, stop feeling persecuted each time I raise an interrogation about something you say, without even daring giving precisions about the interrogation, then each time I've to make comments like 'in case...'. It was like when we discussed regionalism a long time ago, you kept saying 'I'm not that! I'm not this! I'm not blahblhablha', while I only discussed some kinds of regionalisms and never spoke about you, since you've never been a topic of thesis of mines.

no, I don't feel persecuted. I might feel annoyed, yeah, but I don't play the victimization role of "poor me, cry a river for me please". As for the latter point, I'm sorry that I tried to correct what I interpreted to be misconceptions of regionalism that you held. I won't do such an awful thing again :S.

Hmm, I didn't speak of victimization, only of the fact that your attitude could make think you can feel personally attacked when there can be some disagreement, or even interrogations, on certain things, what I meant by persecuted. You're not the kind to complain, I know that.

Hmm, well, about the debate, it was in Charles de Gaulle thread in History board, well, yes you defended some kinds of regionalisms, mainly explaining me some reasonable regionalisms existed, which I never really opposed, I was rather speaking of some regionalist moods and tendancies, but I think we never really succeeded to communicate on that, maybe one day. Anyhow, well, you spent a big part of the time trying to explain me that you were not extreme, while I kept saying I never implied you were. I actually never debated about you and tried to imply that you could be such or such, I'm certain you get I've better things to think and do.

Yeah, stop to feel personally attacked, in the latter case, the fact you stopped to participate could make wonder whether you took something seriously about what was going on here, which would be pretty petty from someone who exaggerates in his reactions, then I feel forced to set such a comment. Stop to think you're under attacks or something, and anyhow since you enjoy open fire on people, in case it would happen, don't complain.

Well, not that I care much, you do what you want, but I just feel forced to give a few precisions given your last charming comment, which was one more time not motivated.

I'm sorry that I'm not in the best of moods when my ancestral homeland was eliminated and I'm sorry that I'm not charming towards you who said like 5 times that Bretagne was best off in the middle of the ocean. You might find that funny, but I don't find that funny at all. I don't think you need to have an Nobel laureate to understand that I am (I think) more intelligent than to take personal offence at a game, but you also don't need to be a nobel laureate to understand that I might feel slightly pissed off at the results of said game. Who isn't?

I think you would be more intelligent and easily go over it, but sorry, your charming comment made wonder, thus my 'in case...'. Funny I don't know, but I think it could by no problem stand by someone who send would send people into sh**t or things like that, gas chambers for the last comment, well 'middle of the ocean' against 'gas chambers', I think that, at the very least, it's a draw (yeah, I'm generous), and no matter which comment you could have hold, that's a game, then I spoke on a game tone (wouldn't that actually be fancy to have a Celtic Archipel somewhere in Northern Atlantic?), and with one who easily have big comments against others, that I wouldn't especially take seriously, I feel still more authorized.

I also felt pissed when I saw all these small provinces of the Center West and Perche which have been the 1st to leave of the game, and in which most of my close family and of its roots is, and spoke of genocide but well was just a way to say, nothing more.

Anyhow I saw you didn't stupidly stopped only because Bretagne wouldn't be part of a small game any more or because someone in that same small game would have placed it in the middle of the ocean, which is very fine, and in your greatness you even kept Savoie. Yay.

EDIT: wow, it made a long post, hope it was worth it.

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Bourgogne has a very fine blason, almost as fine as Dauphiné.
Full of history in one drawing.

Hash is joking, but, as for me, I'm very serious: if Guyenne is out, the Survivor Special Service (aka SSS) will find all the bad voters and terminate each of them !

You're lucky that I lived in south Corrèze and feel close of Périgord. But outside of this I would find Guyenne, that I would sum to Périgord, Gironde, Lot-et-Garrone, booooooooooooring!

I agree on the history of Bourgogne, thus why it was a tie for me between both. And both embody good food, along with Gascogne.

So, my winner is Normandy personally (Savoie is only personal, even though I'd have a good opinion of it too).

Anyhow, here:

Orléanais, please bye bye Beauce!
Gascogne, well, outside of the fact that Gascons are noisy, the region is quite empty.

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Oh my dear, all those guys against fondue and raclette.

Well, Gacogne, indeed.

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Let's have an "English" final

France can't afford that. Though I'll be alone with voting Guyenne maybe. I can't vote Savoie, even to save Normandie, and Normandie really is my winner then I can't vote it either.

I give a Guyenne and I need 3 more, please.

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So, I had already said my vote.

Hey Savoie resisted well yes.

As I already said Guyenne is emmmmmmmmmmmpty! Yes, beautiful landscapes, pleasant food, the wines of Bordeaux, but nobody living there! And the coast is only some sand! And Bordeaux, oh dear, I hope they really improved it with tramway and new quays, because the last time I went in the inner city, it was really dirty, very very, black walls everywhere, the quays were just awful, and all these cars everywhere, only the (crumbling) Colbert had something... And anyhow Bordeaux's architecture is the definition of pretentiousness! Only the 'Pont de Pierre' that I like, pretty beautiful...

Normandy for the win, because of History, hey, that's thanks to them that English is easy to learn, because of its coasts, I loved the coast between Port-en-Bessin and Honfleur, because of its cities, I always had something for Cherbourg and Le Havre, because it kinda embodies a kind of sweetness, and because both of my maternal grand-parents are (were for one) from there.

Go Normandy!

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EDIT: Nobody living in Guyenne, except English and Dutch, indeed. . They help to change it into a region of Gîtes!

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And you wouldn't think Place de la Bourse has a "pretentious" architecture: it's just beautiful, elegant, besides clean river banks and modern urban furnitures.

I find the whole XVIIIth-XIXth century architecture of the city pretentious. . And last time I went in the inner city was in 1996/1997. In the suburb last time was last year, and while it wouldn't be a monopoly of Bordeaux, compared to Toulouse the bypass belt is still awful.

I don't really understand your "empty" adjective...
Guyenne as a whole is less empty than Auvergne, Savoie or even Basse-Normandie.

Well, lots of regions are empty in France, but, really, outside of Bordeaux: Périgord, Quercy, Agennais, Gironde, Rouergue. I've traveled along those in multiple directions a lot of time, not unpleasant landscapes, but, well, rather calm and not very populated region, which can be a charm too, but it's just the way it is. It is actually transforming itself into a region of gîtes. Beside Bordeaux, in term of provinces, I would wonder which of Gascogne, Guyenne, and Auvergne would be the most empty nowadays...

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Just to finish on Bordeaux, the architecture of the XXth century isn't better (Meriadek!), and the Cathedrale Saint-André didn't let me a great memory compared to others, but not all is negative there for me, beside the 'Pont de Pierre' the other thing I like there is the train station Saint-Jean, one of those I prefer.

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Nah everything is as fine as Normandy. 2 lions beat one. Everything is normal.

Oh, and why fat?

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Nah everything is as fine as Normandy. 2 lions beat one. Everything is normal.

Oh, and why fat?

Cream and butter from everywhere, but especially from Isigny (et les caramels, d'ailleurs !).
Cheeses from Livarot, Pont-l'Evêque, Camembert, Neufchâtel.
"Fat" grass and soils.
"Real" cows.

These are the reasons why I prefer Normandie to Bretagne (sorry, Hash ): in Normandie, they know how to eat...
But of course, as for drinking, Guyenne is still the best

I should have thought about all these creamy things, indeed.

Well, what are Bretagne's arguments? Some fine terrines, galettes, far au pruneau (hmm, I can't think of something else right now), but they have a major minus: salted butter!

Then yeah, Normandie would easily win this fight.

And anyhow Guyenne would easily own the 2 others as well in this realm, indeed. The match in France being between Guyenne, Gascogne, and Bourgogne.

BTW, I'll soon begin a French big cities survivor.

Very fine.

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The biggest pastry ever is the cannelé bordelais (and it's really not out of parochialism)...

Damn it. I really don't want to be all negative about Bordeaux, but I tasted once, and in Bordeaux! In the Sant-Christoly mall, and really, wasn't much great, slightly dry, not much taste, and expensive!

I prefer Paris-Brest.