France bans the Burka and other veils

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Involuntary "liberation". Wonderful.

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BTW, as I stated I think this law is an epic fail, but I also think it's worth debating, and I really can't stand all this "OMG FREDUM HATERZ OMG" rhetoric. Please, don't caricature a so complicated issue. For me, the State should ensure that no woman wears a Burqa, I just don't think a law is the right solution to achieve this goal.

Why should the state ensure that? Belongs to freedom of religion for me.

Freedom of religion should be limited when it harms individual freedom and maintains people in a state of submission.

And you decide this...how?

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BTW, as I stated I think this law is an epic fail, but I also think it's worth debating, and I really can't stand all this "OMG FREDUM HATERZ OMG" rhetoric. Please, don't caricature a so complicated issue. For me, the State should ensure that no woman wears a Burqa, I just don't think a law is the right solution to achieve this goal.

Why should the state ensure that? Belongs to freedom of religion for me.

Freedom of religion should be limited when it harms individual freedom and maintains people in a state of submission.

And you decide this...how?

It's all a matter of points of view of course. But you can admit the idea that a cloth which confines women and isolates them from the rest of the world isn't very individual freedom-friendly, I don't think it's that silly.

Banning things in the name of freedom certainly is silly.

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BTW, as I stated I think this law is an epic fail, but I also think it's worth debating, and I really can't stand all this "OMG FREDUM HATERZ OMG" rhetoric. Please, don't caricature a so complicated issue. For me, the State should ensure that no woman wears a Burqa, I just don't think a law is the right solution to achieve this goal.

Why should the state ensure that? Belongs to freedom of religion for me.

Freedom of religion should be limited when it harms individual freedom and maintains people in a state of submission.

And you decide this...how?

It's all a matter of points of view of course. But you can admit the idea that a cloth which confines women and isolates them from the rest of the world isn't very individual freedom-friendly, I don't think it's that silly.

Banning things in the name of freedom certainly is silly.

So banning slavery or child labor in the name of freedom is silly ?

There are perfectly good reasons to ban things, but freedom is not one of them.

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People should be brought up secularly and I don't think it can be considered anything other than brainwashing if they are brought up in a religion.

Why didn't you say right away that you supported the Enver Hoxha solution? It would have saved everyone a lot of time.

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The solution is to focus on assimilating immigrants rather than multiculturalism, which has utterly failed in the UK, imo.

I dunno man, you guys seem to really dig the Chicken Tikka Masala.

That's not Indian, though.

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The solution is to focus on assimilating immigrants rather than multiculturalism, which has utterly failed in the UK, imo.

I dunno man, you guys seem to really dig the Chicken Tikka Masala.

That's not Indian, though.

I think that might be his point; is there a finer symbol of multiculturalism than the Chicken Tikka Masala?

But that could be construed as successful assimilation rather than multiculturalism.

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But that could be construed as successful assimilation rather than multiculturalism.

No. Assimilation would be restaurants owned by Asians selling roast chicken with gravy.

I'm fairly sure I saw that in Tower Hamlets, but now I can't remember what my point was.

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Good. 'Freedom of religion' is a safeguard for reactionary and irrational systems of belief. What is needed is a 1920's USSR-style anti-religion campaign.

Trying too hard again.