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« on: September 06, 2012, 06:00:37 PM »

Just wondering how many people think this. To think that criticizing one nation's policies is the same as hating an entire group of people is mind blowing.
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« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2012, 01:35:13 PM »

True, except right antisemitism isn't accepted in normal political discourse.  Left antisemitism is easily hidden behind a facade of "caring" about the Palestinians.  It's fairly obvious in people that ONLY care about the Palestinians and don't give two sh**ts for peoples in much worse shape than the Palestinians.  Or happily chose to side with Iran in the Iran V Israel issue.

I see the Palestinian people as equals of Israeli people. Not sure if that makes me anti-semitic.

As for the Iran V Israel issue...doesn't Israel have nuclear weapons?
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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2012, 02:16:31 PM »

Do you think he would attack Israel with a nuclear weapon?
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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2012, 09:27:01 AM »
« Edited: September 08, 2012, 09:35:39 AM by Senator Sbane »

True, except right antisemitism isn't accepted in normal political discourse.  Left antisemitism is easily hidden behind a facade of "caring" about the Palestinians.  It's fairly obvious in people that ONLY care about the Palestinians and don't give two sh**ts for peoples in much worse shape than the Palestinians.  Or happily chose to side with Iran in the Iran V Israel issue.

I see the Palestinian people as equals of Israeli people. Not sure if that makes me anti-semitic.
Of course not, I'm not sure what that has to do with my quote though.

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That's the rumor, again though, not sure what that has to do with anything.

You said that left antisemitism is hidden behind a facade of "caring" when in reality most of those people care equally for the Israelis AND the Palestinians. If looked at from an average American perspective it could look anti-semitic or anti-Israeli since they themselves are so lopsided in their support, and many times probably don't even realize that they are being so unfair to the Palestinian people. There are people in the world who are treated just as bad as the Palestinians, but we usually don't count them as our best friend. We usually don't say that they are a shining example of western liberalism. We usually don't give them a blank check to do whatever they would like to do.

As for the nuclear issue....I just don't see Iran using a nuclear weapon. There are a few reasons for getting the bomb. One is that it will increase the popularity of the government. See, one thing you may not realize is that every country likes to wave it's dick, especially if in the past they were the seat of a great civilization. Persia would count as such a place. You know those pro-American green revolution supporters? They are in favor of an Iranian bomb! I don't think you or a lot of other Americans understand this. It's just a way of showing the world how powerful and important they are and to not mess with them. So that being said, why is Israel having nuclear weapons accepted while Iran getting one isn't?
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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2012, 07:05:21 PM »

You said that left antisemitism is hidden behind a facade of "caring" when in reality most of those people care equally for the Israelis AND the Palestinians.
People on the left that are also antisemitic care about Israelis?  That seems odd.  Unless you are assuming everybody on the left is antisemitic, but that would be even more odd.
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I can see that.
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Agreed.  Though there is a greater than 0 chance that they will give it to one of the terrorists groups they run.  If in 5 years there is a good size divot in the middle of Tel Aviv those that are against Iran getting the bomb can say "whoops, I was wrong".  The thousands of dead won't be able to say anything.  I can certainly understand their concern.
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Well that whole "liberal democracy" thing helps.  And at the time we "let" them, it seemed like a really good way to at least temporarily guarantee their continued existence.  Since then they've proven that they will take care of them well.  And I have always been under the impression that most people on the left (antisemitic or not) were against more nukes, much less more countries getting nukes.  And even crazier, the new country that you are supporting getting nukes would be amongst the 3 countries most likely to use them unprovoked or let them slip (or "slip") into groups that would use them if given the chance.  Are we going to be cool with S.Arabia getting the bomb?  What about Egypt?  If there is a line in the sand, I would hope it would be right in front of Iran, but I suppose I'm wrong.

Look, there might be some real left anti-semites but you are way overestimating it. When I say "most of those people", I mean those who you and other wrongly see as anti-semites.

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