Santorum is a lunatic, Part 10,568

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"My grandmother is a typical white person"

They all say dumb things sometimes... the guillotine comment was over the top but the rest of what he said was dead on

Oh yea... the only thing keeping America from totalitarianism is Christianity.  

Allow me to go throw up.

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I don't believe it's necessary for my state to expand a highway... am I therefore exempt from paying my taxes?

If you don't want to live in our society... go hop on a frickin boat and the entire Religious Right can find an island and live in Jesusland for the rest of their god damn lives.  Healthcare plans are there to cover medical needs... contraception being one of them.  

I can't believe the real meat of what Santorum was saying seems to have escaped the discussion.  It's the old standby from the conservative right... that totalitarian, authoritarianism, fascism, etc. etc.... are what you get when you apply secularism to society.   Well listen here morons, just because your empty, ignorant mind needs stupid fairy tales to teach you right from wrong doesn't mean the rest of us can't try to build a society where we do good things for each other for the sole sake of, oh I don't know, actually doing good things for people.  

Sorry if this comes off as a general rant against religion and it's followers, but I have a hard time keeping in my hostility in check when it comes to little weasels like Frothy.

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So what you are saying is that devout Catholics have no place in American society? If you want to throw out the constitution -  be my guest. But don't be surprised when the United States don't follow along with you.

You want a society where everyone pays for contraception, and for health care - it's called Canada. I hear they are taking applications...

Where did I say that?  All I said is that the law of the land is above religious law.  You are free to practice any religion you want and to disregard contraception... but then society decides that contraceptives are to be covered in employee health plans, and you say we have no right to do so because of your religion.  So...our laws have to meet your religious tests?  

If you feel that you are paying for contraception and that is a sin, and that is more important to you than living in this society... leave!  The adults have sh*t to get done.  

Seriously here.  If a fundamentalist Christian wants to stone his neighbor to death for working in his yard on Sunday... what the hell should we do?  Grant him a reprieve?  Sorry guys but those are his beliefs? 

The hospital is NOT A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION.  The Catholic Church wants to run an institution that is not technically a church than IT HAS TO ABIDE BY THE LAWS OF THE LAND.  I hate having to go all caps on anything, but this issue is so cut and dry it's incredible that it even needs debate.  Every preceding poster than likens this to an argument out of the 1950s is spot on.   

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To theocrats, "religious liberty" = religious law

The freedom to ban legal activities on Sunday

The freedom to accept government funds and discriminate

The freedom to arbitrarily defund programs (sex education, birth control) and organizations (Planned Parenthood) they don't agree with

The freedom to refuse to dispense birth control/contraceptives as a pharmacist because it "violates their conscience"

The freedom to cut off your infant son's foreskin

The freedom to ban gays and lesbians from serving in the military, adopting, and getting married

The freedom to force women to give birth

The "freedom" to live under God's law

Repugnant authoritarians

I was going to respond to Kenobi... but this will do just fine.  

Hey Kenobi... the Bible says to kill your neighbor if he works on Sunday.  We will not allow that.  Are we infringing on your religious freedom by saying you may not go stone your neighbor to death?  

Your (and the Catholic Church's) "freedom" to impose your morals and standards on others is not protected, or implied, or morally just.  

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What's so sad about the religious wing of this country is that it's not enough for them to have full freedom to practice their faith in their personal lives.  The entire structure of society has to be molded and shaped in a way that suits their own interpretation of their religion.  

And I'M the fascist.  What a crock of sh*t.  

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To theocrats, "religious liberty" = religious law

The freedom to ban legal activities on Sunday

The freedom to accept government funds and discriminate

The freedom to arbitrarily defund programs (sex education, birth control) and organizations (Planned Parenthood) they don't agree with

The freedom to refuse to dispense birth control/contraceptives as a pharmacist because it "violates their conscience"

The freedom to cut off your infant son's foreskin

The freedom to ban gays and lesbians from serving in the military, adopting, and getting married

The freedom to force women to give birth

The "freedom" to live under God's law

Repugnant authoritarians

I was going to respond to Kenobi... but this will do just fine.  

Hey Kenobi... the Bible says to kill your neighbor if he works on Sunday.  We will not allow that.  Are we infringing on your religious freedom by saying you may not go stone your neighbor to death?  

Your (and the Catholic Church's) "freedom" to impose your morals and standards on others is not protected, or implied, or morally just.  

You clearly know nothing about the Catholic Church or Christianity in general.

I know the Ten Commandments.  It's the same principle.

Which is what the issue is about.  Does the Catholic Church have protection against being forced to provide contraception, which it is against, under the First Amendment?  NOT WHEN IT IS RUNNING A SECULAR INSTITUTION SUCH AS A HOSPITAL.

What the hell does it matter that I know anything about Catholicism?