2004 and beyond.....

[Platypus]

Isn't Kerry himself lurch? I don't think you can be running for POTUS and VPOTUS at the same time...

so much for republicans being more learned :rolleyes:

[Platypus]

No offense, but FDR was an idiot. I admit he did a few good things, but he was repeatedly informed of Soviet infiltration of our government and said that it could not happen. He would not believe it. He was even shown papers and proof. Well, it turned out that there were thousands of Soviet spys holding high government offices in our government. That was proved after his death. A bunch of them were his personal assistants and advisors. At one point, one of his vice presidents (not Truman, I forget his name) was a Soviet spy. Not too many people know this information because the majority of it was kept secret for a long time. He was shaking hands with Stalin and in his mind he was saying "I'm so glad that Russia and America can get along." At the exact moment, Stalin was standing there and in his head saying "Sucker." FDR would just not believe it.

He did only a few good things?  Please.  He brought the country out of the GREAT depresson, he brought down Hitler and eventually Stalin, and won four election decisively.  Reagan is nowhere near FDR.

Yeah, he brought us out of the Depression, but it took him long enough. He did not bring down Hitler, Stalin did, he captured Berlin (something that never should've happened, we should have taken Berlin), Stalin was never brought down, he died. Reagan won the two largest landslides in history. Reagan brought down the Soviet Union. Reagan would have won four terms and then some if it weren't for term limits. Term limits did not exist when FDR was in office. A survey proved that the people still favored Reagan on a landslide scale in 1988 and if he could run they would elect him again.

This sparks a bit of debate... Polls also show that if Clinton was able to run in 2000, he would have won.

Each party has their own heros, and nemisii. For the Democrats, its FDR/Bush. For the Republicans, it's Reagan/Clinton. I personally think Reagan was a pile of the proverbial, but nothing I say will make you change your mind. And nothing you say about FDR, the man who led us out of ther world's darkest days as a superpower, will make me change mine.

The US has such deep splits between the parties sometimes i'm amazed we aren't in another civil war. :S

[Platypus]

I've never really understood Kennedy-hatred. Teddy Kennedy I can understand, he really is a nutjob. But JFK was a great president, if only for one thing he did-Cuban Missile Crisis.

If he did nothing else that was good, at least he did this. He saved America from the most deadly situation it has ever been in.

Kennedy wasn't perfect, and I don't agree with all he did. He certainly in't my favorite POTUS. But he was truly great under pressure

[Platypus]

No, the GOP would throw *everything* at ousting Kerry in 2008. He is a liberal, remember?

I think that 2008 will be a big year. Over the last 3 elections, and also this one, we have had extremely close elections when you consider historical results. 2008, with two completely new players (if GWB wins 04) will be massive. Everything will be on the line.

I just hope Hilary isn't running.

[Platypus]

Because she would lose, and yet another 4-8 years of GOP-Presidency would be horrible; if they were in power until 2016 they would control the whole supreme court.

[Platypus]

Absolutely.

Democrats will vote for her, but Independents won't; they (with reason) don't actually see her as a politician, more as an appointee.