Clinton, Sanders and black support

[NOVA Green]

Cool thread topic and concept from the OP and insightful analysis from the other posters on thread....

Now that the 2016 Democratic Primary "Civil Wars" are over, I think we can all agree on some basic facts regarding this election.

Mr Morden provided an extremely interesting argument regarding "Purity vs Pragmatism" Political Science discussion, especially within the context of Ethnic Minorities within the Democratic Party.

Hagrid speaks to the relationship that HRC built within the AA community for decades on key issues of political, social, and economic justice....

RFK Fan talks about the popularity of Bill Clinton within the AA Community, as well as the "Name Brand" concept.

JG talks to the basic fact is that with the exception of AA Millennials, the Community "overwhelmingly voted HRC".

One item that has not been mentioned thus far, is the regional variations among African-American voting patterns, especially as the Democratic Primary Season developed.

Early on HRC overwhelmingly dominated AA DEM Primary voters in the Southern States, where after all this a "front-loaded" Primary region of the Country.

We started to observe different voting dynamics once the Democratic Primary shifted to the Industrial MidWest and Western States.....

For example Bernie Sanders performed extremely well in heavily African-American precincts in Washington, Oregon, and California (Relatively late in the Primary Season), and certainly we have precinct data that supports Bernie performing extremely well in heavily Black precincts in Chicago, St Louis, etc...

To go back to Mr Morden's point regarding pragmatism vs purity, we can look at all sorts of data from the '16 Dem Primaries starting in South Carolina, rolling down to Florida, hitting "Super Tuesday", rolling over to Texas, where although many AA voters agreed with many of Bernie's fundamental points (Although there was significant debate about the merits of various policy positions just as within most parts of the Modern Democratic Coalition), but didn't necessarily believe he had a chance to win against a Republican.

Now AA voters in California tend to be a bit different than those in the Southlands, Industrial Midwest, and "Northeast", but precinct and municipal level data from Cali suggests that Bernie Sanders likely performed better among "Ethnic Minority" populations in California than among Anglo Populations in the 2016 California Democratic Primary....

Much of that is likely driven by the fact that HRC did much better among Upper-Income populations than Bernie overall in the '16 Dem Primaries, and in Cali that is going to mean much more heavily Anglo....

Still, even though Cali isn't considered a heavily "Black State" as a percentage of the population, there are still 2.3 Million Brothers and Sisters in the Golden State, which would place it behind quite a few other states.

1.) Florida- 3.06 Million AA Residents
2.) New York- 3.04 Million AA Residents
3.) Texas- 3.03 Million AA Residents
4.) Georgia- 3.01 Million AA Residents
5.) California- 2.26 Million AA Residents
6.) North Carolina- 2.07 Million AA Residents

Note that there isn't a single state in the Midwest on the "Top Six" List....

Now, what is the overall % of the Population by State that is African-American?



So what does anything of all this mean?

The African-American Democratic voting population has been spread throughout the entire United States, from the early days of the American Revolution, to the Underground Railroad to the "Free Cities of the North", from the Great Depression and Push/Pull Migration as the result of a combination of Industrial Work in the North during WW II, and leaving behind the White Supremacist system and Jim Crow.

This trend accentuated in the 1960s as Black Brothers and Sisters left the Southlands to work in the Auto Plants and Steel Mills of the "Rust Belt", or maybe out to California where there were tons of good paying Union jobs in places like Oakland and Long Beach, where at least a brother could get a decent shake even from a White Union foreman running the crew....

I know I'm getting slightly OT here, but is interesting that Bernie Sanders tended to perform best in African-American communities where there was a traditionally high rate of Union membership...

Obviously, Bernie Sanders does not appear to have performed extremely well among African-Americans in most States with a high AA population.

It does appear that he performed much better among AA voters in States where where has traditionally been a much higher rate of Private Sector Union Membership, where perhaps WWC voters tend to be a bit more "Liberal" on racial equality issues and vote less on the whole racial polarization dawg whistles than many other places....

[NOVA Green]

To be Fair (tbf), honestly Obama didn't play that well among African-American voters in SC in the '08 Dem Primary, and although his numbers picked up a bit from AA voters by the time of Super Tuesday, the reality is that the '08 Dem Primary wasn't nearly as racialized as one might imagine, although perhaps to a greater extent than the '84 Democratic Primary on Super Tuesday in the South (Mondale vs Jesse Jackson).

tbh the whole concept that Southern Black Voters vote for a Dem Candidate just because they are Black doesn't really have tons of scientific evidence behind it, although I'll be more than happy to be proven wrong.....

[NOVA Green]

People of Color understand the consequences of going against the Democratic Party. Bernie Sanders ran a smear campaign trashing the party, saying how corrupt Hillary is, how Obama should've been primaries back in 2012, that political correctness is bad and we need to pander racist blue collar folks. Sanders is a white leftist that doesn't understand that POC don't want to be told they are stupid for voting against their interests, nor be attacked on Twitter because they are #withher. They have a rightful skepticism of white populism, be it Trump or Bernie.  If Bernie wanted to win over POC voters he should better communicated by not be so damn condescending.

Sir, your posts appear to be that of yet another White person trying to interpret how "People of Color Vote", devoid of any real data or analysis as a "White Dude" compared to most other posts on this thread.

Looking through your extremely recent posting history appears to be a series of one-line responses posted from your smart phone, and most recently over the past 3-4 weeks a series of Anti-Bernie diatribes.

My sincere apologies if you are a "PoC", and not a White "Clintonista" late to the Party, at a point where the Atlas "Democratic Primary Civil Wars" have essentially been resolved for the most part.

OneJ_  who is a well established poster on Atlas, and might have quite a few insights into "Black Voters" in the Southern States, and likely in other heavily African-American communities in the Central Atlantic and Midwest, for some odd reason (idk why )  has some of the best insights on this thread posted thus far....

Anyways--- welcome to Atlas, and be prepared to back up your statements with actual data...

This is a rough neighborhood  and btw not sure why your Atlas screen name is after a President that expanded American Imperialism, and definitely was NOT a friend to African-Americans in the Plantations of the "Slavery Belt" of the Southern Colonies....

President Monroe was yet another Slaver scumbag, like most of the first wave of American Presidents, and although his Presidency is complicated in the early days of the Republic on many issues, he certainly wouldn't be a flag I would want to fly as part of my screen name and avatar.