List of Alternate Presidents

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California Über Alles

41. George H.W. Bush (R-TX) January 20th, 1989 - January 20th, 1993
42. E. Gerald "Jerry" Brown, Jr. (D-CA) January 20th, 1993 - January 20th, 1997
43. Newton "Newt" L. Gingrich (R-GA) January 20th, 1997 - January 20th, 2001
44. Richard "Dick" A. Gephardt (D-MO) January 20th, 2001 - January 20th, 2009
45. Mary Bono Mack (R-CA) January 20th, 2009 - January 20th, 2013
46. Barack H. Obama II (D-IL) January 20th, 2013 - Current Date

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California Über Alles

41. George H.W. Bush (R-TX) January 20th, 1989 - January 20th, 1993
42. E. Gerald "Jerry" Brown, Jr. (D-CA) January 20th, 1993 - January 20th, 1997
43. Newton "Newt" L. Gingrich (R-GA) January 20th, 1997 - January 20th, 2001
44. Richard "Dick" A. Gephardt (D-MO) January 20th, 2001 - January 20th, 2009
45. Mary Bono Mack (R-CA) January 20th, 2009 - January 20th, 2013
46. Barack H. Obama II (D-IL) January 20th, 2013 - Current Date

That wasn't quite the list I had in mind.

What did you have in mind?

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California Über Alles

41. George H.W. Bush (R-TX) January 20th, 1989 - January 20th, 1993
42. E. Gerald "Jerry" Brown, Jr. (D-CA) January 20th, 1993 - January 20th, 1997
43. Newton "Newt" L. Gingrich (R-GA) January 20th, 1997 - January 20th, 2001
44. Richard "Dick" A. Gephardt (D-MO) January 20th, 2001 - January 20th, 2009
45. Mary Bono Mack (R-CA) January 20th, 2009 - January 20th, 2013
46. Barack H. Obama II (D-IL) January 20th, 2013 - Current Date

That wasn't quite the list I had in mind.

What did you have in mind?

39. James E Carter (D-GA)/Walter F Mondale (D-MN); 1977-1981
40. George Bush (R-TX)/Paul Laxalt (R-NV); 1981-1985
41. Edmund J. Brown Jr. (D-CA)/Paul Tsongas (D-MA); 1985-1993
42. Paul Tsongas (D-MA)/Mike Gravel (D-AK); 1993-1997
43. Mike Gravel (D-AK)/Howard Dean (D-VT); 1997-2005
44. Howard Dean (D-VT)/Bill Richardson (D-NM); 2005-Present

In this, Bush is elected instead of Reagan in 1980. He gets rid of Volcker, thus causing inflation to continue to rise. In 1984, California Senator Jerry Brown (who was elected to the Senate in '82) is elected in a landslide. Him and other more "Libertarian" minded Democrats instead act as fascists, creatin universal healthcare, expanding environmental laws, having children be forced to learn Buddhism ("your kids will meditate in school"), and all the great stuff mentioned in the song. This is just the first draft. I don't have the entire thing fleshed out in my head.

Oh, still an interesting list. I was in fact just using the Dead Kennedys song name as a stand-in name for a "Jerry '92" list name, not creating a TL based on the lyrics of th song.

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California Über Alles

41. George H.W. Bush (R-TX) January 20th, 1989 - January 20th, 1993
42. E. Gerald "Jerry" Brown, Jr. (D-CA) January 20th, 1993 - January 20th, 1997
43. Newton "Newt" L. Gingrich (R-GA) January 20th, 1997 - January 20th, 2001
44. Richard "Dick" A. Gephardt (D-MO) January 20th, 2001 - January 20th, 2009
45. Mary Bono Mack (R-CA) January 20th, 2009 - January 20th, 2013
46. Barack H. Obama II (D-IL) January 20th, 2013 - Current Date

That wasn't quite the list I had in mind.

What did you have in mind?

39. James E Carter (D-GA)/Walter F Mondale (D-MN); 1977-1981
40. George Bush (R-TX)/Paul Laxalt (R-NV); 1981-1985
41. Edmund J. Brown Jr. (D-CA)/Paul Tsongas (D-MA); 1985-1993
42. Paul Tsongas (D-MA)/Mike Gravel (D-AK); 1993-1997
43. Mike Gravel (D-AK)/Howard Dean (D-VT); 1997-2005
44. Howard Dean (D-VT)/Bill Richardson (D-NM); 2005-Present

In this, Bush is elected instead of Reagan in 1980. He gets rid of Volcker, thus causing inflation to continue to rise. In 1984, California Senator Jerry Brown (who was elected to the Senate in '82) is elected in a landslide. Him and other more "Libertarian" minded Democrats instead act as fascists, creatin universal healthcare, expanding environmental laws, having children be forced to learn Buddhism ("your kids will meditate in school"), and all the great stuff mentioned in the song. This is just the first draft. I don't have the entire thing fleshed out in my head.

Oh, still an interesting list. I was in fact just using the Dead Kennedys song name as a stand-in name for a "Jerry '92" list name, not creating a TL based on the lyrics of th song.

Oh. I assumed you were talking about the idea I introduced for a timeline (in the "what should I write next?" thread). I thought you were just taking that and finding out what that would look like. (sorry for doubting you artistic intergrity)

It's fine, no hard feelings okay.

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By the way, Andy Jackson, since you're active, is there hope for Mankind Forever? You last updated on, I think, the sixth. I know you said to be patient and all, but I had to ask.

Today was busy. I saw my little niece for the first time in months, the family ate, went to see the grandparents. Didn't get back until 8:30 so there wasn't much time to work on the TL. If I put my lasersights on it, it'll be up by Sunday or Monday.

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A Gift from Mongkut: The Story of the American Elephant

16. Abraham Lincoln (R-IL) March 4, 1861 - April 15, 1865*
17. Andrew Johnson (D/NU-TN) April 15, 1865 - March 4, 1869
18. Ulysses S. Grant (R-IL) March 4, 1869 - March 4, 1877
19. Rutherford B. Hayes (R-OH) March 4, 1877 - March 4, 1881
20. George A. Custer (D-OH) March 4, 1881 - March 4, 1885
21. James A. Garfield (R-OH) March 4, 1885 - March 4, 1893
22. John Davis Long (R-MA) March 4, 1893 - March 4, 1901
23. George Dewey (D-VT) March 4, 1901 - March 4, 1905
24. Joseph B. Foraker (R-OH) March 4, 1905 - March 4, 1913
25. John "Jack" J. Pershing (R-NY) March 4, 1913 - March 4, 1921
26. Alfred "Al" E. Smith, Jr. (D-NY) March 4, 1921 - March 4, 1929***
27. Charles Curtis (R-KS) March 4, 1929 - March 4, 1933***
28. John N. Garner IV (D-TX) March 4, 1933 - January 20, 1937
29. Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt, Jr. (R-NY) January 20, 1937 - July 12, 1944*
30. Arthur H. Vandenberg (R-MI) July 12, 1944 - January 20, 1949
31. Douglas MacArthur (D-NY) January 20, 1949 - January 20, 1957
32. Joseph "Joe" P. Kennedy, Jr. (D-MA) January 20, 1957 - January 20, 1961
33. William "Billy" G. Stratton (R-IL) January 20, 1961 - January 20, 1969
34. George C. Wallace, Jr. (D-AL) January 20, 1969 - May 17, 1974****
35. Frank J. Lausche (D-OH) May 17, 1974 - January 20, 1977
36. George H.W. Bush (R-CT) January 20, 1977 - January 20, 1981
37. Reubin O'Donovan Askew (D-FL) January 20, 1981 - January 20, 1985
38. Sidney Poitier (R-NY) January 20, 1985 - January 20, 1993***
39. Zell B. Miller (D-GA) January 20, 1993 - January 20, 1997
40. George W. Bush (R-CT) January 20, 1997 - January 20, 2005
41. Mary L. Landrieu (D-LA) January 20, 2005 - January 20, 2009***
42. John E. Bush (R-TX) January 20, 2009 - Current***

**Assassinated by John Wilkes Booth at Ford's Theater.
***First Roman Catholic POTUS.
***First recognized Non-European Descent POTUS.
*Died of a heart attack as President.
****Resigned from office after corruption charges.
***First African American POTUS.
***First Female POTUS.
***Second Son of a former President to become POTUS.

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Point of Divergence: (Remember a little while ago when I began a timeline where George McGovern was elected President in 1972? Well, this was to be the proposed list; even though the timeline was to finish by January 1977. Therefore, after President Brown and maybe President Hart, the list is not to be taken seriously). Richard Nixon dies suddenly on August 15, 1971 at Camp David, allowing Spiro Agnew to assume the Presidency.

Presidents of the United States
37. Richard M. Nixon (R-CA): 1969-1971
38. T. Spiro Agnew (R-MD): 1971-1973
39. George S. McGovern (D-SD): 1973-1977
40. Ronald Reagan (R-CA): 1977-1981
41. Edmund G. Brown, Jr. (D-CA): 1981-1989
42. Gary Hart (D-CO): 1989-1993
43. Clint Eastwood (R-CA): 1993-2001
44. Steve Forbes (R-NJ): 2001-2005
45. Howard Dean (D-VT): 2005-2009
46. Gary Coleman (R-CA): 2009-Present

I see your McGovern and raise you one!

A Forgotten Summer

37. Richard M. Nixon (R-NY) January 20th, 1969 - January 20th, 1973
38. George S. McGovern (D-SD) January 20th, 1973 - January 20th, 1977
39. Ronald W. Reagan (R-CA) January 20th, 1977 - January 20th, 1981
40. Edward "Ted" M. Kennedy (D-MA) January 20th, 1981 - March 30th, 1981
41. C. Clifton "Cliff" Finch (D-MS) March 30th, 1981 - January 20th, 1985
42. Paul D. Laxalt (R-NV) January 20th, 1985 - January 20th, 1993
43. Paul E. Tsongas (D-MA) January 20th, 1993 - January 18th, 1997
44. D. Robert "Bob" Graham (D-FL) January 18th, 1997 - January 20th, 2001
45. John S. McCain III (R-AZ) January 20th, 2001 - January 20th, 2009
46. Nicola "Niki" D. S. Tsongas (D-MA) January 20th, 2009 - Current Date

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In the Shadow of a Bull Moose
"From the election of Teddy Roosevelt in 1912, to the American intervention in the Great War in 1915, to the invasion of Germany proper in 1918, to a victorious Soviet Union over Poland and the ignition of the 2nd Great War by the Soviet Union in the 1930's, to the long cold war between a democratic America and a fascist Europe, the whole world stands in the shadow of a bull moose".

28. Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt (P-NY) March 4, 1913 - January 6, 1919*
29. Hiram W. Johnson (P-CA) January 6, 1919 - March 4, 1921
30. Alexander M. Palmer (D-PA) March 4, 1921 - March 4, 1929
31. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY) March 4, 1929 - March 4, 1933
32. Herbert C. Hoover (P-CA) March 4, 1933 - January 20, 1937
33. Henry S. Breckinridge (D-NY) January 20, 1937 - January 20, 1941
34. Harold L. Ickes (P-IL) January 20, 1941 - January 20, 1949
35. Alice L. Roosevelt-Borah (P-NY) January 20, 1949 - January 20, 1953***
36. George C. Marshall (D-VA) January 20, 1953 - October 16, 1959*
37. Joseph "Joe" P. Kennedy, Jr. (D-MA) October 16, 1959 - January 20, 1965***
38. Nelson A. Rockefeller (P-NY) January 20, 1965 - April 14, 1972**
39. Hubert H. Humphrey, Jr. (P-MN) April 14, 1972 - January 20, 1973
40. James "Jimmy" M. Stewart (D-CA) January 20, 1973 - January 20, 1981
41. Morris "Mo" K. Udall (P-AZ) January 20, 1981 - January 20, 1989***
42. Charles M. "Mac" Mathias, Jr. (P-MD) January 20, 1989 - January 20, 1993
43. Paul E. Tsongas (D-MA) January 20, 1993 - January 18, 1997*
44. John B. Breaux (D-LA) January 18, 1997 - January 20, 2005
45. Joseph "Joe" I. Lieberman (D-CT) January 20, 2005 - January 20, 2009***
46. Keith M. Ellison (P-MN) January 20, 2009 - Current Date***

*Died in his sleep from a coronary thrombosis.
***First Female POTUS.
*Died from complications of illness and old age.
***First Roman Catholic POTUS.
**Assassinated by neo-fascist Herman Bremer in Wisconsin.
***First Mormon-America POTUS.
*Died from Pneumonia and Liver failure, caused by complications of Cancer.
***First Jewish-America POTUS.
***First African-American and Muslim POTUS.

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October Rain
POD: Things go wrong in the Cuban Missile Crisis and World War occurs. The United States and Earth, must rise from the Third World War to face a highly different world...

35. John "Jack" F. Kennedy (Democratic-MA) January 20th, 1961 - April 13th, 1964**
36. Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic-TX) April 13th, 1964 - September 9th, 1965*
Interim Congressional Rule, September 9th, 1965 - January 20th, 1966
37. Hubert H. Humphrey, Jr. (People's-MN) January 20th, 1966 - January 20th, 1970
38. Benjamin M. Spock (People's-CA) January 20th, 1970 - January 20th, 1974
39. George S. McGovern (People's-SD) January 20th, 1974 - January 20th, 1978
40. Ronald W. Reagan (Conservative-CA) January 20th, 1978 - January 20th, 1982
41. Martin L. King, Jr. (People's-AL) January 20th, 1982 - January 20th, 1986***
42. Paul D. Laxalt (Conservative-NV) January 20th, 1986 - January 20th, 1990
43. Larry L. Pressler (Conservative-SD) January 20th, 1990 - January 20th, 1994
44. James "Jim" A. Hightower (People's-TX) January 20th, 1994 - January 20th, 1998
45. Warren Beatty (People's-CA) January 20th, 1998 - January 20th, 2002
46. Francis "Frank" A. Keating (Conservative-OK) January 20th, 2002 - January 20th, 2006
47. Richard S. "Kinky" Friedman (People's-TX) January 20th, 2006 - January 20th, 2010***
48. Jane E. Norton (Conservative-CO) January 20th, 2010 - Current***

**Assassinated by disgruntled civilian in Illinois.
*Forced to resign after attempt to call off elections for security purposes.
***First African-American President.
***First Jewish President.
***First Female President.

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Former TL idea, POD is Martin Van Buren getting the 1844 nomination.
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10. John Tyler, Sr. (Whig/No Affiliation/Continental-Virginia) April 4, 1841 - March 4, 1849
11. Winfield Scott (Whig-New Jersey) March 4, 1849 - March 4, 1853
12. James Buchanan, Jr. (Continental-Pennsylvania) March 4, 1853 - April 13, 1858**
13. John Bell (American/Unionist-Tennessee) April 13, 1858 - August 16, 1864*
14. Henry Wilson (Republican-Massachusetts) August 16, 1864 - March 4, 1869
15. Robert E. Lee (Unionist-Virginia) March 4, 1869 - March 4, 1877
16. Roscoe Conkling (Republican-New York) March 4, 1877 - March 4, 1881
17. Walter "Walt" Whitman (Unionist-New York) March 4, 1881 - September 25, 1883*
18. Oliver P. Temple (Unionist-Tennessee) September 25, 1883 - March 4, 1885
19. James B. Weaver (Republican-Iowa) March 4, 1885 - March 4, 1893
20. John Fiske (Unionist-Connecticut) March 4, 1893 - March 4, 1897
21. William J. Bryan (Republican-Jefferson) March 4, 1897 - February 12, 1902*
22. Thomas B. Reed (Republican-Maine) February 12, 1902 - December 7, 1902**
Acting. Joseph "Joe" G. Cannon (Republican-Illinois) December 7, 1902 - March 4, 1905
23. Lyon G. Tyler, Sr. (Unionist-Virginia) March 4, 1905 - March 4, 1913
24. Robert "Bob" M. La Follette, Sr. (Social Democratic-Wisconsin) March 4, 1913 - March 4, 1921
25. Thomas "Tom" E. Watson (Social Democratic-Georgia) March 4, 1921 - February 26, 1922**
26. Eugene "Gene" V. Debs (Social Democratic-Indiana) February 26, 1922 - March 4, 1925
27. Christopher "Chris" R. Archer (Unionist-Ohio) March 4, 1925 - March 4, 1933
28. Jean-Robert F. Dauterive (Social Democratic-Louisiana) March 4, 1933 - January 20, 1941***
29. Eric G. Torvalds, Jr. (Social Democratic-Michigan) January 20, 1941 - January 20, 1949
30. Leonard H. Fish (Unionist-New York) January 20, 1949 - January 20, 1957
31. Esteban L. Colquitt (No Affiliation-Cuba) January 20, 1957 - January 20, 1961***
32. Noah E. Chaplin (Social Democratic-Texas) January 20, 1961 - January 20, 1969
33. Beatrice K. La Follette (Social Democratic-Wisconsin) January 20, 1969 - January 20, 1973***
34. Richard "Dick" W. Turwood (Unionist-Illinois) January 20, 1973 - January 20, 1981
35. LeRoy C. Jenkins (Social Democratic-Alabama) January 20, 1981 - January 20, 1985
36. John N. Finnis (Unionist-Maryland) January 20, 1985 - January 20, 1993
37. J. Franklin "Frank" Delano, Jr. (Unionist-California) January 20, 1993 - January 20, 1997
38. Joseph T. Lincoln (Social Democratic-Oregon) January 20, 1997 - January 20, 2005
39. Cordelia "Cora" S. Davenport (Unionist-New York) January 20, 2005 - January 20, 2009
40. Leonidas "Leon" J. Freeman (Social Democratic-Mississippi) January 20, 2009 - Current Date***

**12. Died from complications of National Hotel Disease.
*13. Assassinated by Southron rebel.
*17. Assassinated.
*21. Assassinated.
**22. Died from complications of Bright's Disease, Appendicitis
**25. Died from a Cerebral Hemorrhage.
***28. First Roman Catholic President.
***31. First Hispanic, Cuban President. First Independent since George Washington.
***33. First Female President.
***40. First African-American President.

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The basic premise was the invasion of Normandy bogs down and, because of that, Dewey wins in 1944.

32. Franklin D. Roosevelt (Democratic-New York) March 4, 1933 - January 20, 1945
33. Thomas E. Dewey (Republican-New York) January 20, 1945 - January 20, 1953
34. George S. Patton, Jr. (Democratic-California) January 20, 1953 - January 20, 1957
35. Harold E. Stassen (Republican-Minnesota) January 20, 1957 - January 20, 1965
36. John "Jack" F. Kennedy (Democratic-Massachusetts) January 20, 1965 - August 13, 1971***
37. Albert "Al" A. Gore, Sr. (Democratic-Tennessee) August 13, 1971 - January 20, 1973
38. Donald H. Rumsfeld (Republican-Illinois) January 20, 1973 - February 27, 1978***
39. Daniel "Dan" J. Evans (Republican-Washington) February 27, 1978 - January 20, 1981
40. James "Jimmy" E. Carter, Jr. (Democratic-Georgia) January 20, 1981 - January 20, 1989
41. Kevin H. White (Democratic-Massachusetts) January 20, 1989 - January 20, 1993
42. E. Gerald "Jerry" Brown, Jr. (Republican-California) January 20, 1993 - January 20, 2001
43. Albert "Al" A. Gore, Jr. (Democratic-Tennessee) January 20, 2001 - January 20, 2009
44. Sophia A. Nelson (Republican-Virginia) January 20, 2009 - Current Date

***36. Resigned due to health concerns.
***38. Resigned due to corruption charges.

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A Heartbeat Away
41. George H. W. Bush (Republican-Texas) January 20, 1989 - January 19, 1991 (1)
42. J. Danforth "Dan" Quayle (Republican-Indiana) January 19, 1991 - January 20, 1993 (2)
43. Mario M. Cuomo (Democratic-New York) January 20, 1993 - March 11, 1993 (3)
44. D. Ann W. Richards (Democratic-Texas) March 11, 1993 - January 20, 2001 (4)
45. Colin L. Powell (Radical-New York) January 20, 2001 - January 20, 2009 (5)
46. Russell "Russ" D. Feingold (Democratic-Wisconsin) January 20, 2009 - June 14, 2009 (6)
47. Andrew M. Cuomo (Democratic-New York) June 14, 2009 - January 20, 2013 (7)
48. Barbara E. Merrill (Radical-Maine) January 20, 2013 - Current Date

(1) Died in office from a severe heart attack.
(2) Oversaw the Gulf War, the collapse of the Coalition and occupation of Iraq.
(3) Assassinated in a car-bombing on his first trip to Iraq as President.
(4) First Female President, oversaw War on Terror and 90's economic boom.
(5) First African-American President, saw the Radicals replace the Republicans as the major center-right party.
(6) First Jewish President, Assassinated by James von Brunn.
(7) Lost election because of third party candidacy of Bernie Sanders.

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Idea list for possible reboot of an old TL.

Forever Mankind 2.0
37. Richard "Dick" M. Nixon (Republican-New York) January 20, 1969 - December 18, 1972
38. Spiro T. Agnew (Republican-Maryland) December 18, 1972 - January 12, 1974
39. Nelson A. Rockefeller (Republican-New York) January 12, 1974 - September 27, 1975
40. Charles "Chuck" H. Percy (Republican-Illinois) September 27, 1975 - January 20, 1977
41. Morris "Mo" K. Udall (Democratic-Arizona) January 20, 1977 - June 3, 1981
Acting/42. Nick Galifianakis (Democratic-North Carolina) March 30, 1981 - January 20, 1989
43. James "Jim" A. Lovell, Jr. (Republican-Illinois) January 20, 1989 - January 20, 1993
44. David H. Koch (Conservative-New York) January 20, 1993 - January 20, 2001
45. Hubert H. "Skip" Humphrey III (Democratic-Minnesota) January 20, 2001 - March 18, 2003
46. Willie F. Logan, Jr. (Democratic-Florida) March 18, 2003 - January 20, 2005
47. Carlos "Chuck" R. Norris (Conservative-Texas) January 20, 2005 - January 20, 2009
48. Elizabeth A. Warren (Republican-New Jersey) January 20, 2009 - Current Date