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« on: June 17, 2008, 07:16:22 PM »

I'm going to start posting soon about how the effects of a independent Texas effects world history.
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« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2008, 07:36:41 PM »

We'd be a third world rump state, most likely. Tongue
Or we could possibly become a superpower.
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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2008, 08:22:53 PM »

Here's where the timeline change happens. After a long debate between joining the United States or remaining a independent Republic. Mirabeau Lamar gives his famous "Empire Texas" speech and gives a small marginal victory to remain a Republic. New things were developing, border disputes with Texas and Mexico would spill over and lead to the Mexican-Texan War(1847-1849), with the ideals of Manifest Destiny running through the nation, Texans prepared for war with Mexico and the best military leaders of the Republic were sent to the front lines. The first flashpoint was called the Johnston Affair which a Mexican calvary unit attacked a attachment of Texan soldiers in the contested Rio Grande area, killing most of them and the few survivors retreated to Fort Brown. When General Thomas Rusk heard of this he ordered the full movement of Texan soldiers over the Rio Grande and an invasion of Mexico, the first real battle of the war, the Battle of Palo Alto which Texan forces led by Thomas Rusk fought the Mexican calvary led by Mariano Arista, the Mexican forces were sure they would crush the Texan forces with there numbers of soldiers but a decisive battle led General Rusk and the Texan forces to be triumphant in the battle, sending the Mexicans in retreat. The Texan forces would charge after the retreating Mexican forces and meet them again at the Battle of Resaca de la Palma, which Texan forces would crush the Mexican forces and send them in another retreat. After only a short time at war with Mexico, a large rebellion in California would divert many Mexican soldiers to the Californian front, letting the Texan forces to begin to flood Mexico.
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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2008, 09:03:58 PM »

The war was going smoothly with a long drawn out was with the Mexican forces having to fight with Texas and the newly declared Republic of California, Texas forces cut threw the Mexican lines and advanced through Mexico, but it was slow and their ultimate goal was to starve out a peace with Mexico. A large boost to the war effort was when a large number of American Mormons took up arms and marched to join the Californian cause to liberate the land of Deseret from Mexico. Californian rebels took the small town of Yerba Buena at the Siege of Yerba Buenaand used it as a base to continue to strike at Mexican forces and a good port for the small California navy, led by former US Commodore Robert Stockton, who led daring raids across the Baja Peninsula. Texan forces were quickly stalling and becoming a battle slogging for a small advancement on the battlefield, this a stark opposite to California, the Mexican forces had retreated further into Loyalist areas and also sent many troops to fight against the Texan forces, leading to Commodore Robert Stockton to land at Los Angeles with virtually unopposed. As the Texan forces slowly made headway, US President Winifield Scott secretly funneled weapons to the Texan forces in hopes of putting Texas as the victor in the war. The most western parts of Mexico had fallen under Californian or Texan rule and with meetings between Texan President James Henderson and interim President William Ide worked out plans to send several regiments to help Texan and Californian forces, leading to a spectacular victories at the Battle of La Mesa, Battle of Monterrey and the Battle of Buena Vista, content for the war with Texas and California was growing with the Mexican people and said to end the war with the two nations before Mexico is butchered even more than it already is but the Mexican government under Santa Anna declined and continued the war with California and Texas.
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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2008, 09:55:21 PM »

Tension had built up with the anti war supporters and pro war supporters and riots broke out in the Mexican capitol, Mexico City and all the while this was happening, Texan forces were marching to the important Mexican port city of Veracruz, which had been reinforced for an attack by Texan forces. At the Battle of Veracruza large Texan force, headed by Generals Thomas Rusk and Sidney Sherman attacked the port city in hopes of a crushing defeat of the Mexican forces there, but they soon had to besiege the city to bring the important port city under Texan control after weeks of heavy fighting for the city. After this the Mexican people became even more upset at this and the rebellions in the Baja Peninsula against the Mexican Empire, more support rallied around the Anti war movement against the Mexican-Texan War. After debating began to surrender to the Texan forces or continue to fight, what decided there minds was that Texan General Thomas Rusk said that he would march into the Mexican capitol of Mexico City and burn it to the ground in revenge after the many Texan towns that were burned by Mexican forces, after that Mexico officially surrendered to Texas and California in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, Mexico would secede a large portion of there most western possesions to the two nations and California would take control of the Baja Peninsula, which the two nations collected a lump sum of money and with the help of President Scott's Texan Transactional Actwould give a portion of money to Texas and California to pay to the Mexican government for the seceded land. California and Texas would split the new land that was acquired in the Mexican-Texan War, they used the Colorado River as a natural border and a physically drawn border to complete the new border between the two countries. This is how they look after they split the new lands between the Texas and California.



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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2008, 10:11:42 PM »

IIRC, Lamar supported an extension of Texas to the Pacific.

But keep up those maps. Smiley
Texas is going to push to the Pacific, but not California's Pacific coast, think more south.
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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2008, 10:33:02 PM »

As Texas and California was glorious with the Mexican-Texan War and all the new land they accuired from it, things are not as good for the United States, President Winified Scott is having to run for reelection in 1852 but he hasn't had support from many Whigs because of his "cottling the Texan Republic" and these Anti Scott supporters back Daniel Webster for the Whig nomination. As a power struggle seems to consume the Whig party, divisions in the Democratic party are showing with their nomination of James Buchanan and Joseph Lane, two men who have a lax view on slavery. On the 6Th ballot, President Scott is renominated and drops his VP Millard Fillmore and replaces him with North Carolinan Governor William Graham, with division in both major parties, it does seem the election is anybody's win and with a major spoiler in effect, the Free Soil party has nominated John Hale and George Julian. The election is here.


Winifield Scott/Alexander Graham(151 EV 49% PV)
James Buchanan/Joseph Lane(140 EV 45% PV
John Hale/George Julian(0 EV 6% PV)
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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2008, 12:18:33 AM »

Thanks!
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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2008, 08:49:58 AM »

As for Texas, it was about to elect a new president as well, already having President Rusk(1850-1853) of the Expansionist party in power and the one three year term the term limit for the President. Another General from the Mexican-Texan War would run for the presidency against Vice President Samuel Maverick in the Election of 1853. For Texas, the electoral college wasn't in use and they used the popular vote to choose the president but that was changing with the creation of Fredonia and Jacinto in 1851 and the hispanic populated state of Rio Grande. As for the 1853 election, the Expansionist, Lone Star and Whig parties ran candidates here and results showed that former General Sidney Sherman had about 45%, Samuel Maverick 37% and Henry Brewster 18%. Here's a map of what Texas looks like at the time of the 1853 Election.

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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2008, 11:47:53 AM »

California:The Opening of Japan

The United States and the Republic of California began a competitive journey to open Japan to the Western trade, the main commanders were the US Commodore Matthew Perry and Californian Commodore Robert Stockton. On July 8Th, 1853 the CRS Sonoma sailed into the Japanese port city of Edo and officially won the race to open Japan to trade. Stockton's popularity would carry him to the presidency in the 1854 Californian Republic Election, making Stockton the second elected President of California.


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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2008, 01:05:58 PM »

Who was the first President of California? And how long are terms? 3 years, like in Texas?

Excellent TL, BTW. Keep it up.
Charles Fremont was the first Californian president and they serve a 3 year term and the only difference is that Texan Presidents usually serve only 3 years as Californian Presidents would serve two 3 year terms. Thanks!
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« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2008, 01:25:21 PM »

Who was the first President of California? And how long are terms? 3 years, like in Texas?

Excellent TL, BTW. Keep it up.
Charles Fremont was the first Californian president and they serve a 3 year term and the only difference is that Texan Presidents usually serve only 3 years as Californian Presidents would serve two 3 year terms. Thanks!

I'm assuming you mean John Frémont?

Are the term limits forever, like in America (where Bill Clinton can never be President again),  or applying to continuous terms, like in the Republic of Texas (where Sam Houston was President #1 and #3).

Nitpicking, I know. Tongue

Term limits in Texas and California are forever, but the first Texan president's only ran for one 3 year term as Californian President's usually run for two 3 year terms, but they have no limit so a Texan or Californian President could run for 8 terms or something like that.
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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2008, 01:59:33 PM »

Article II, Section 2 of the 1836 Constitution:

"The first President elected by the people shall hold his office for the term of two years, and shall be ineligible suring the next succeeding term…"

http://texashistory.unt.edu/permalink/meta-pth-5872:1081

This is a form of term limits.

I forgot to tell you that Mirabeau Lamar led a Constitutional Amendment that actually led to unlimited term limits, it was suppost to favor the Expansionist party but it had a a better effect with the Lone Star Party.
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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2008, 02:16:18 PM »

12Th President Winfield Scott(1849-1857)Whig

Under President Scott, numerous compromises were created, the Compromise of 1850, the New Missouri Compromise, the Kansas-Nebraska Act and the country had to begin to truly face the ideas of Slavery and "Popular Sovereignty". Major opponents of the Compromise of 1850 were the Northern Whig leaders who saw the 1850 Compromise as a Pro-South law that only benefitted slavery. The Fugitive Slave Act would be implaced and the Northerners would admit Oregon as a free state but it wouldn't satisfy many Southerners and would lead to the New Missouri Compromise which would draw the border between Slave and Free territory along the lines of the state of Missouri's most northern border. The new Missouri Compromise would satisfy the major leaders of the Northern Whigs, William Seward, Daniel Webster and Oregon Governor Abraham Lincoln grudgingly accepted the Compromise.


Slave States and Territories
Free States and Territories

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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2008, 02:37:27 PM »

So the southern part of the Nebraska Territory is slave while the rest is free?
The map is right after the New Missouri Compromise so the map could change and southern Nebraska is probably going to be annexed to the Kansas Territory.
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« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2008, 03:00:46 PM »

Bleeding Nebraska(1855-1859)

After the New Missouri Compromise was put into effect a problem arose, the southern most part of the Nebraska Territory was incorporated into slavery territory. Many Northerners saw this isn't a great problem and began to put laws into effect for the Slave portion of Nebraska to be annexed into the Kansas Territory but Stephen Douglas said that the Nebraska Territory should hold a vote to decide if they wish to be a Slave or Free territory, an ideal called Popular Sovereignty. Pro Slavery and Pro Free supporters flooded into the Nebraska Territory to vote for the rights of territory to become a Free or Slave territory, one of the Pro Free was the extreme Abolitionist John Brown. The Antislavery won the vote, but angered many Pro-Slavery and began a bloody guerrilla warfare in the Nebraska Territory over the Slavery issue. The Federal government didn't recognize the vote or the Pro-Slavery side and left the state in a bloody chaos for 4 years.
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« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2008, 05:19:41 PM »

As Nebraska still bled from guerrilla warfare, the nation prepared once again for the Presidential Election. A new party had risen to national status, the Republican Party which championed an Antislavery ideals and was a large threat to the Whigs and the Democrats in the upcoming election. The Democrats nominated Franklin Pierce as a sacrificial goat for the election and picked Lewis Cass as his VP. For the new Republicans chose John McLean and William Dayton for the 1856 general election and for the Whigs, Millard Fillmore was nominated on the 4Th ballot after a fight with William Graham for the nomination and his Vice President was former congressman Garret Davis, a staunch Anti secessionist. The Presidential Election of 1856 would show a suprising surge of Republicans in the Senate and the House but wouldn't make them the majority.


Millard Fillmore/Garret Davis(150 EV 38% PV
Franklin Pierce/Lewis Cass(63 EV 30% PV)
John McLean/Willaim Dayton(73 EV 32% PV)
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« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2008, 08:59:15 PM »

13Th President Millard Fillmore(1857-1861)Whig

After Millard Fillmores election to the presidency, he had to face the slavery issue as people debated through out the nation and citizens still fought a bloody conflict in the Nebraska Territory. President would recognize the Omaha Constitution, which would recognize the Nebraska Territory as a free territory and angered many southerners in the process. The Dred Scott case would be another fight with free and slave supporters over the issue of a slave named Dred Scott that had went with his master to the Nebraska Territory which was now a free territory and lobbied that since he was brought to a free territory, that he was free himself, but the Supreme Court didn't see it that way and ordered that Dred Scott was property and that his master could take him anywere he wished. Outraged poured from the Whigs and Republicans and many Whigs said that Millard Fillmore was to soft on the slavery issue and Oregon Governor Abraham Lincoln would denounce Fillmore as a "accomplice to the Slave Power". Panic would sweep the nation with the Panic of 1859 which after the Democratic took the majority in the Senate and pushed to lower the tariffs and would lead to the Panic and Treasury Secretary Thomas Corwin began to issue deficit financing for the government, which would anger the Democrats. The secession of South Carolina on December 20Th and soon many other southern states had said they would secede after the 1860 election if another Whig was elected to the presidency was another hit to Millard Fillmore esteem and he said he wouldn't run in 1860.


The hatred for President Millard Fillmore.
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« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2008, 09:19:02 PM »
« Edited: June 18, 2008, 11:23:47 PM by Andy Jackson »


Things were going on in Texas, the slavery issue in Texas was growing in the nation and had the Lone Star party a more Antislavery while the Expansionist Party was more of a pro slavery supporter and the Texan Whig party was the middle man, putting a Union ideal to people and there message of Unionism would win them the Texan Election of 1856 when Whig Governor of Fredonia, Elisha Pease was elected the 8Th Texan President and steered the nation from the slavery issue and the possibility of any inciting rebellion in the Southern states of the United States. President Pease would also continue to map out the most western edges of the Republic and also increase the Texan military for any invasion of Texas by land grabbing Southerners from the US.
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« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2008, 10:02:07 PM »

The multied party US Election of 1860 was a four way vie for the presidency with the Democrats easily nominating Stephen Douglas and Hershel Johnson as their nominees while the struggling Whig party had many of their supporters and leaders left for the Republican party, they would nominate a Southern Unionist John Bell and Abraham Lincoln would be picked as Bell's Vice Presidential nominee. The Republican had to pick between four major candidates, the Radical William Seward, Salmon Chase a former Democrat, Edward Bates a former Know Nothing and has little support with the German Americans that dot the western United States and Simon Cameron who was said to be to old for their nomination. The Republicans would go with William Seward and Hannibal Hamlin as their nominees as a splinter group from the Democratic party would nominate Howell Cobb and John Breckinridge under a "Leave the southern way of life alone" base. The election would have a stalemate with Seward and Douglas, the victor would have to be decided in the House of Representatives and after a long thought, both Cobb and Bell would throw there support to stop Seward under the assumption that William Seward would ignite a Civil War in the south and Stephen Douglas becomes the 14Th President of the United States.


Stephen Douglas/Hershel Johnson(110 EV 36% PV)
William Seward/Hannibal Hamlin(102 EV 31% PV)
John Bell/Abraham Lincoln(56 EV 21% PV)
Howell Cobb/John Breckinridge(31 EV 12% PV)

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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2008, 10:39:48 PM »


After what some people saw as a trick to the America people, on March 4Th Inauguration Day, Stephen Douglas was officially made the 14Th President of the US, he would say in his inaugural address that he would unite the seceding southern states back into the Union, with negotiations President Douglas passed the Douglas Pact which would make slavery exist until 1894 in the United States and this infuriated the Abolitionists and the major leader was Governor Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln would return to Oregon with displeasment with Stephen Douglas would declare the famous Portland Proclamation in which Lincoln would announce that President Stephen"Little King" Douglas had made a deal wit the devil and the blood was on his hands, he would also tell that the national government had become corrupt and as it says in the Constitution "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness". He also would go on to explain that the "Little King" had shackled the basic rights of men "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness". Under this unfair government, Governor Lincoln said that he had officially pushed secession through the Oregonian legislator, seceding from the Union and forming an independent Republic of Cascaidia. Soon riots in the Washington Territor would overthrow the Territorial Governor in Olympia and instating former Territorial Governor La Fayette McMullen and allying the Washington Territory with Cascadia, sending representatives to Salem and unanimously making Abraham Lincoln the President of Cascadia.
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« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2008, 10:54:06 PM »

Just a suggestion: instead of using yellow, use gold.  It shows up better.
Something like this?
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« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2008, 11:16:42 PM »

YES! Cascadia! I always thought we would rock as a nation, does BC get to join us in this endevour?
Maybe? Who knows, but British Columbia is going to effect Cascadia.
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« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2008, 11:36:57 PM »


With the secession of Oregon and the Washington Territory to form the Republic of Cascadia, under the leadership of Abraham Lincoln it was now clear there would be an American Civil War, but not over slavery but over the federal government. As numerous former slaves and Abolitionists came by the droves to Cascadia, now former US General John Pope became the Commander of the Cascadian Army and Isaac Stevens became a General in the Cascadian Army. American forces would try and quickly push through Cascadia at the Battles of Bitteroot Range and Fort Greenstone, many Mormons also came from California to aid the large number of Mormons in the Washington Territory in their fight for independence from the US. General McClellan's forces were stalling in the battlefront in Eastern Washington Territory, the Cascadian Army may be smaller but it makes up for it with good generals and the know how about the land greatly equals in the battlefield. Battle after battle still showed that the US forces were slowly moving into Cascadian land, but it would take a long time to reach the capitol at Portland at the rate they are going. After only several months at war, a ambush on McClellan's forces by a large guerrilla army decimated and shook the US troops, also General McClellan was killed by a Cascadian sniper. President Douglas would send two Generals to replace McClellan and hopefully bring a swift victory over Cascadia, these Generals were Robert E. Lee and Ulysses S. Grant.
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« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2008, 11:29:56 AM »


With General Lee and Grant's forces only scratching into the Cascadian territory, former President Winfield Scott comes up with the Anaconda Plan, that to stop Cascadia, American forces must cut the rogue nation in two by first taking the Snake River and use that to ride it to the Columbia River, a natural border that cuts through half of Cascadia. As the US forces slog their way through Cascadia, Abraham Lincoln works out a treaty with the Natives that if they help Cascadia and eventually win the war of Secession, they will grant them a independent territory of their own, Abraham Lincoln and Sitting Bull would create the Greensun Treaty and aid the Cascadian Independence movement.
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