Emsworth's Draft

[Demrepdan]

What the hell?

[Demrepdan]

What the hell?

Would you care to elucidate?

You're ignoring the leadership of the Nym administration as well as the will of the people. Long ago...people agreed to the structure of my constitution.....with a landslide victory in a poll..(mainly due to the detail and lack of lose ends) ...and it was decided by several...(including Vice President Harry)..that any re-writes of the constitution be made by myself. And ALSO...you're sticking things in there that we haven't ALL agreed upon...all changes I was going to make were those that we’ve agreed upon...I wasn't going to slide anything else in. One suggestion was made in a thread a while back....that Senators must be a Junior Member (or 51 posts.) Most agreed......but we didn’t get that big of a response. Also...there has been no opposition PUBLICLY of my rules for impeachment.....however, those rules have changed now that the House is gone. I have stated my opinion in another thread.....asking what people thought of a public poll being administered to determine if the person is impeached....and then a 2/3 vote in the Senate for removal from office. When I suggested that....I don’t think I had ANYONE disagree...(maybe so.)...but still...that’s the way I thought we would have it due to the response of the people. I’ve been following people’s requests closely.....evidently you have not (or you chose not to) because you did not include any clause in your draft as such.

And I've noticed for quite some time....the effort that has been brought on to slow down the writing of the Constitution...many people wanting several small but vital and irrelevant changes made. In essence, EVERYONE wants to write their own constitution. Which I suppose is fine......but we're gonna be here a LONG. time...

Most of this heavy opposition comes from....dare I say....the Progressives. They want to claim they are the Constitutional Party and the party that started work on the constitution first.....but it was I...(along with several others) who LONG ago..when we first started the Fantasy Elections....said that we should have rules set forth to determine how to handle the positions and elections. I suggested a Constitution and my idea was knocked down. So I let it go.....then later dunn comes along...and he suggest a Constitution as well....and I think.."finally....I have someone who wants order the way I do"....so we begin to start to movement for the Constitution. And ever since then it has become apparent that the Progressives want to claim all responsibility for coming up with the Constitution...that is not true, and with their “idealism” should come total control of formation of the Constitution. I myself ALSO do not claim all responsibility for the forming of the Constitution....and I will denounce any claim that says so....and I also do NOT want total control of the formation of the Constitution....I’m listening to the majority of the people and how they want it.
                     
It's not just the Progressive's who have opposed nearly everything revolving around the current draft of the Constitution....there are others. And if you want to state you opinions on how the Constitution should be...that's fine...but when you go against the leadership of the Forum....a request bestowed upon me by Vice President Harry....and also with the support of the President himself......and try to complicate this process...and make it last longer than it should....then I don't know.

All I know is this is horribly frustrating......

I was intending on re-writing the sections we have all agreed upon and putting the second draft on my website for all to see by Tuesday (as requested by the Vice President). But if anyone wishes for me to step down from the creation of the Constitution......please let me know. With an executive order from either Nym or Harry.....I shall step aside and throw the project into other hands immediately....if it will get a Constitution formed quickly and make everyone happy.

[Demrepdan]

SIX MONTH TERMS?!?!

WTF!!!!!!!!!

This was NOT agreed to, Emsworth.

I'm yet to read past that acticle, and until this is amended, I don't plan on doing to.

Thank you for pointing that out, hughento......most people agreed (by majority) to 4 month Senate terms as well as 4 month President terms. Evidently Emsworth believes otherwise....

[Demrepdan]

Maybe I kinda overacted.....I realize that Emsworth was just trying to help speed along the constitution....but you gotta take it from my perspective....put yourself in my shoes....(you presented your constitution after working on it for a week around the same time the Progressives presented theirs....which was the opprotunity for ALL people to present their version of the Constitution which has now passed........by popular vote most people agree to go along with your constitution due to it’s detail on the issues and lack of legal loopholes....you are fully aware that others want to lend their ideas......and you are VERY WILLING to work with them to stick their ideas in the constitution......but then....someone comes around and re-writes the constitution without you asking him to help you re-write it......) How would you feel? I felt like Emsworth was essentially saying I'm inept and INCAPABLE of making these changes myself...thus it must be made by someone who can.... and I kinda took that as an insult....but like I said...I overacted.....and I now realize that he was only trying to help......so I apologize.

[Demrepdan]

I felt like Emsworth was essentially saying I'm inept and INCAPABLE of making these changes myself...thus it must be made by someone who can.... and I kinda took that as an insult

Well, it was most certainly not my intention. I had actually thought that you approved, as you had said in a previous message (here), "If you have any other suggestions for me on how to reword the Constitution to eliminate redundancies ... please let me know ... It’s fine if you wish to give suggestions on the rewording...but I hope you don’t change the overall message of the Constitution in the process." But, I did not wish to convey upon you any impression of ineptness or other undesirable quality, and I therefore do offer my humble apologia and beg your forgiveness.

That's right I did say that....and you violated my request by changing the terms to 6 months......

[Demrepdan]

That's right I did say that....and you violated my request by changing the terms to 6 months......

I beg to disagree. I included all elements of supersoulty's plan, which you yourself have endorsed! The President's endorsement was forthcoming, as was that of the rest of the administration; the measure seemed likely to pass - so it was included. This six-month term is not something I have concocted myself: it is a part of supersoulty's plan, which your own administration has agreed to.

I agreed to Supersoulty's map...and arrangement of the Regions....nothing more....nothing less.....

I would like to announce that I will soon post a revised copy of the constitution...with many of your changes.....(except the 6 month term rule)

[Demrepdan]

you did
and dan's was just a draft (a good one) just like thr progressive's one (which was first and several clauses are just the same).

I hope you aren't implying that I stole from the Progressive's Constitution. I took a week writing mine...and was not aware of the Progressive's Constitution until the very day I posted mine for Forum members to see.

I think the reason my Constitution was so similar to the Progressive's...was because we both borrowed ideas from the U.S. Constitution.