ProCon October 2009 Convention in Indianapolis (Voting on Platform)

[Associate Justice PiT]

     In Indianapolis. Matter resolved.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     I have information that a new candidate may soon enter the Midwestern Senate race. I ask that we hold off on that one until he is ready to inform us of his intentions.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Pacific: Nik (RPP-CA) [Senate]
Midwest: Undeclared [Senate]
Mideast: Sen. Tmthforu94 (RPP-IN) [Senate]
Northeast: Fmr. Sen. DWTL (RPP-NJ) [Senate]
                  Gov. AndrewCT (I-CT) [Governor]
                  Lt. Gov. Barnes (DA-RI) [Lt. Governor]
                  Rep. Hamilton (RPP-MA) [Assembly]
                  Rep. Smid (RPP-VT) [Assembly]
                  Rep. cinyc (I-NY) [Assembly]
Dirty South: Sen. NC Yankee (RPP-NC) [Senate]

     I agree with these endorsements.

[Associate Justice PiT]

We should wait on a official endorsement for the Mideast, I agree with the previous opinions.

    Midwest, actually. I think we have a pretty good candidate in the Mideast already.

[Associate Justice PiT]

RPP must endorse the RPP Midwester

No we don't have to.

Yes you do, unless the RPP bylaws have been changed.

     The RPP bylaws just say this:

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     Interestingly, this isn't being held on the private forum. Perhaps that bylaw should be amended to strike the word "private".

     Also there is a very good chance that there will soon be another RPPer in the race, so even if we had to endorse a member of our party that runs if there is one, that would be moot in this case.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     I am fairly ambivalent about this move. I am however curious about the ramifications of this on the December elections.

     You see, we have already had two members express interest in being candidates. One of them has a good chance at gaining office before then, but if he fails to do so, are we just going to bump one of the two potential candidates off to support RowanBrandon's re-election? I think that would be a mistake, but I'm interested to hear other opinions on the matter.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     I am fairly ambivalent about this move. I am however curious about the ramifications of this on the December elections.

     You see, we have already had two members express interest in being candidates. One of them has a good chance at gaining office before then, but if he fails to do so, are we just going to bump one of the two potential candidates off to support RowanBrandon's re-election? I think that would be a mistake, but I'm interested to hear other opinions on the matter.

I wouldn't stay in a party that endorsed Rowan and I also know for a fact that if Rowan is a candidate, only one candidate is needed because that is the best we can do. Swing voters will run for the hills (aka Franzl).

     I understand. I would like to know what terms he was welcomed back under, though.

I motion a renaming of the RPP to the Liberal Conservative Party.

I second this.

     I third this.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Liberal Conservative Party??

     Classical liberal. Market liberal. Australian liberal. You get what I mean.

     I am fairly ambivalent about this move. I am however curious about the ramifications of this on the December elections.

     You see, we have already had two members express interest in being candidates. One of them has a good chance at gaining office before then, but if he fails to do so, are we just going to bump one of the two potential candidates off to support RowanBrandon's re-election? I think that would be a mistake, but I'm interested to hear other opinions on the matter.

I wouldn't stay in a party that endorsed Rowan and I also know for a fact that if Rowan is a candidate, only one candidate is needed because that is the best we can do. Swing voters will run for the hills (aka Franzl).

     I understand. I would like to know what terms he was welcomed back under, though.

No terms are acceptable. None. If the leadership supported this, then I support instituting a new chairman.

Question: Why do you think you are boss of the RPP? I was told that "everyone was on board".

You were lied to.

Well, specifically I was told "anybody that matters" supports the move. So, make of that what you want.

     The lords were on board, but the vassals had other plans, you see.

You're not liberal in any sense. That's the DA.

Wait a minute, wasn't I the one who came up with this idea, PiT?

     Originally, & I pitched it to various members. I think it was Devilman who came up with Liberal Conservative Party, exactly.

[Associate Justice PiT]

I came up with it.

     Ah, sorry that I forgot.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Motion to replace the chairman.

     I think leadership elections are supposed to be done after the general election, actually.

[Associate Justice PiT]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_conservatism

I feel this sums up a lot of RPP members ideas and policies.

As a liberal conservative myself I'm not seeing it. I don't see anything remotely 'Cameronian' about the RPP.

You aren't looking.

I've been proposing adapted Tory 'liberal conservative' policy for the past two Senates Trust me I'd have noticed.

Of course if you want to go down that European ideological route then all the best to you.

I consider myself a liberal conservative or in Canada, a progressive conservative. I know that many of our members share similar ideologies.

Well good. I've been trying to coax conservatives in Atlasia over the ground where I've been standing for some time

Have you been keeping track of the NE assembly's work?

You do understand that when I say 'some time' I mean years right?

It certainly is the most sensible form of government. This NE Assembly session is largely based around the ideas of liberal conservatism and progressive reforms.

Yes; and I also understand the Assembly has mixed partisan membership.

The RPP has effective control, essentially because we control the speakership and have the larger alignment.

Well as I said if the party wants to embrace liberal conservatism then I'm pleased.

     I don't like it, but I find it an acceptable compromise since a party embracing anarcho-capitalism wouldn't go very far.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     I don't like it, but I find it an acceptable compromise since a party embracing anarcho-capitalism wouldn't go very far.

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=102759.msg2176273#msg2176273

     I don't think I would never get a car that wasn't Japanese-made unless I could afford a Mercedes or BMW or something similar. I probably shouldn't given their history, but I like the quality of their products.

I don't like it, but I find it an acceptable compromise since a party embracing anarcho-capitalism wouldn't go very far.

There's alot to that ideology (particularly eminating from the 'hubs' of Britain and Sweden) you will probably not be too comfortable with. Besides the movement from American Conservatism to European conservatism requires the acceptance of various ideas that we accepted a generation or so back (American Conservatism for me went awry post Nixon/Ford) including reaching an understanding with the welfare state and using it to forumate and act on policy.

It also, as in Europe leaves the 'third' party in Atlasia (the DA) enough room to leapfrog the RPP to being more right wing on economic issues (like the German FDP) But that would be a few elections away at least!

     Not to mention that from the American perspective, there does not appear to be much difference between the mainstream left & right in Europe. I suspect that is the source of much animosity towards Europe from the American right.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Aye.

     I think we could do better for a name than Liberal Conservative Party, though my favorite proposed name so far met just as fierce resistance as this.

[Associate Justice PiT]

I like the the name: The People's Conservative Party (PCP)

Phencyclidine?

     Progressive Conservative Party would have the same acronym.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Liberty Party would be a great name, though it might be seen as an overt bias towards the libertarian side of the party. New Torie Party is also a pretty good name.

     Also, I'd be cool with running for President since MasterJedi has bowed out.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     Yeah, I was looking at other running mates because I heard you didn't want the spot anymore. If you are alright with being my running mate, I'd love to have you aboard.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     The ayes have it for the vote on whether to consider changing our name. This will be done in two rounds, each with approval voting. For those who do not know, approval voting means you can vote for as many names you would like. The second round will be between the top two names. Here is the list of names to vote on:

Regional Protection Party (RPP)
The New Tory Party(NTP)
Progressive Conservative Party(PCP)
Liberal Conservative Party(LCP)
United Conservative Party (UCP)
Write-in:______________________

     Voting will last 24 hours for this round & 48 hours for the second round, if nobody objects to that.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Regional Protection Party
The New Tory Party
Progressive Conservative Party
Liberty Party

[Associate Justice PiT]

oh and Torie Party works too.  (not Tory)

Torie doesn't mean anything.

     But is a tribute to the awesomeness of the two-term former Senator from the Pacific.

[Associate Justice PiT]

I really don't understand why this Party exists in its present coalition. If we had a libertarianish Party that was totally separated from the theocrats, I'd be happy to vote for them.

     Atlasia != America. Social Democrats & socialists are much more influential in the workings of the left-wing here (so much so that many IRL moderate Democrats make their home with the centrists instead). Furthermore, Atlasia is much more socially liberal, to the point that a bill was passed a few Senates ago legalizing most drugs. This extends to the right, where libertarians & libertarian-leaners hold considerable influence & frequently get elected to office (though there are none in prominent offices at the moment, that has mainly arisen as the result of a host of narrow losses for the RPP in the last few elections).

     That's a short explanation of why I think libertarians are better served by aligning with the right here.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     So the first round of voting is over, with these results:

RPP- 10
NTP- 5
PCP- 7
LCP- 4
UCP-2
Liberty Party- 4
National Action Party- 2
Conservative Alliance-2
Classical Liberal Party-1
Torie Party-1
United Conserative Alliance-1
Conservative Federalist Party-1

     Many thanks to Devilman for tallying them. Now we move to the second round where you vote between the top two vote-getters:

Regional Protection Party (RPP)
Progressive Conservative Party (PCP)

     Voting will be open for 48 hours.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     I vote for the Progressive Conservative Party.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     We just need 11 more voters now to achieve a quorum.

[Associate Justice PiT]

     I thought of "progressive" as looking forward to the good things the future may hold while "conservative" is in touch with the positive aspects of the past. If anyone wants to call themselves conservatives, regional protectors, RPPers, or anything else along those lines, I wouldn't mind.

[Associate Justice PiT]

You guys really just renamed yourselves PCP?

     The vote is currently 11-6. If we get 6 more voters in the next 25.5 hours (& if not all of them vote RPP), then the name will change to PCP.