SENATE BILL: Atlasian Green Jobs Act (Law'd)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Sponsor: fuzzybigfoot

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Both the President and Senator shua have good points here. I think that we should focus considerably energies on organizing processes to ensure we accomplish real results for those dollars that are spent. That leaves a queation for how these will be organized. shua suggested loans to to developers, and the President mentioned in general a focus on replacing old school industry with green industry jobs.

I would point out that there is a risk of increased unemployment as a result of this switch from old to green as far as industrial applications goes. When you force a shift in production, you inevitably are forcing the use of the latest generation machinery, to replace what likely is a previous generation setup. That shift often brings with it increased efficiency and thus a need for less workers as well. It's not a concern that should make us avoid or not do something entirely because of it, but it should be something that is considered as we push forward with this.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

You guys didn't understand what I meant.

Yes, in the process of the conversion you create jobs in construction and manufacturing of the machinery and the like. But once that is done, my point is in order to produce an equivalent amount of something using newer, greener production, or the equivalent amount of a new greener product, you likely need fewer employees to use that newer production system or produce the newer greener product, then you needed to produce the older less green technology. This same result would occur with any technological advancement regardless of how green it is. Hence why I said it should be an instant turnoff. Nor do I beleive it is necessarilly a bad thing, even in terms of economics.

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Senators have 24 hours to object to the sponsor originated Amendment.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Amendment 44:14 has passed.

I honestly don't think this Bill is ready...

There is most certainly other things that can be added for sure. Before, you had mentioned creating processes by which old school industry can be transformed into green industries.

To accomplish this, a sub clause could be added to number 4 to aim some of the loans toward this endevour. However, we would need to figure out a standard by which preposed transformations can be considered to "greenify" an industry to a sufficient degree to deserve such a loan. But that change is rather miniscule and it seems that a major sticking point is that the current text is fairly specific and focused on energy companies while the President seems to desire a broader focus encompasing a wider away of non-green industries and seeking to transform them. At the same time, more detail is needed to establish the processes. hmmm


Some open brainstorming on ways to spur this transformation in existing industries:
1) Incentives for efficiency in terms of energy consumption
2) Encouragement for Industrial R&D related to greener production
3) Loans and/or direct subsidies for Green investments 

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

We already give tax breaks to companies who are energy efficient. Remember my bill?

Well, I think we need to be a bit more 'big picture' than paying people to encourage lower power bills

I suppose what it comes down to for me, is that if we want an effective Bill to really change the Atlasian economy into a greener one - it will take a lot of leg work.

When I get a moment, I'd like to work with interested Senators on this.

I certainly am interested, but also a little confused.

I am somewhat familiar with the process known as value migration. It's basically a fancy term created by a business consultant to describe outsourcing and automation, though it includes much more then that as well. Basically it involves a business changing it's entire structure, design and organization to maximize competativeness and profitability. What you seem to desire is a similar change in business structure. However, I am confused on how to motivate such a change, as usually it takes strong market forces to compell such transformations, especially in existing companies (see how intransigent some old giants like GM have been in their refusal to adapt, it permeats their culture). Usually it is new competitors who come about, adapt the modern approaches and then they gain market (or value) at the expense of the old lions. 

Considering the importance of competativeness and especially considering how resistant existing companies are to break from tradition sometimes, what methods would have the desired impact?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

ahh, Mr. President, I am still waiting for clarification on how companies can be motivated to engaged in the transition you proposed?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Then shall we be expecting an amendment shortly from Senator Duke?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Well does anyone have any ideas on the amount? Polnut, MB?


As for the interest rate, my guess would be to keep it low, otherwise few will take advantage of it.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Did I miss the plane to go to on the Greek Junket you guys all went on?

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If they are combined, I will put that in as the next available amendment number.

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Senators have 24 hours to object to the passage of Amendment 44:22.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The amendment has passed and debate has resumed.


Final vote?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Senators a final vote is now open on this bill, please vote Aye, Nay, or Abstain.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Aye


Vote on Final Passage of the Atlasian Green Jobs Act:

Aye (: AHDuke99, Antonio V, Fuzzybigfoot, Jbrase, Napoleon, NC Yankee, shua and Snowguy716
Nay (0):
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (2): bgwah and officepark (Gosh, what are those two doing? I wonder if they are... )

The bill has passed with no nay votes and is presented to the President for executive action.
 

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