HOUSE BILL: Penal Reform Act 2018 (Passed)

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Atlasian People's House of Representatives
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Sponsor: 1184AZ
House Designation: HB 1183

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The sponsor has 24 hours to post an advocacy for this bill, all other members have an additional 48 hours to post their initial comments, questions and concerns.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I had a feeling this was coming back.

Anyway, this one seems shorter than the one last year. Is that correct, or am I forgetting its true length?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The sponsor has 24 hours to post an advocacy for this bill, all other members have an additional 48 hours to post their initial comments, questions and concerns.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The sponsor has 24 hours to post an advocacy for this bill, all other members have an additional 48 hours to post their initial comments, questions and concerns.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Actually, I just realized they don't have 24 hours. I posted them just after midnight, so time expires in less than hour.

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Sponsor Feedback: Hostile
Status: With the amendment still pending and 24 hours minimum debate having expired, a vote is now open on this Amendment, Representatives please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Since there is no quorum, I am extending the vote another 24 hours from the original end time.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Aye


I think both amendments would require a subsequent amendment either way and I think there is still a concern about non using drug dealers being absolved of criminal liability in AZ's amendment.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Also as a note, while it is not impossible to hold two amendment votes at the same time, it is impossible to do so when the two amendments contradict each other. Therefore, since I have seen people trying to vote on AZ's at the same time, we will be voting on that next.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote on Amendment H10:01 by Oakvale

Aye (3): NC Yankee, Oakvale, and Rfayette
Nay (4): 1184AZ, LouisvilleThunder, ReaganClinton20xx, and Peebs
Abstain (1): Wxtransit

Didn't Vote (0):

Eight Hours Remaining.


Typing this up now so all I have to do is quote it quickly in the morning to finalize it.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

To go further on what I said before, I think we need to make a distinction between 1) Marijuana and other less severe drugs that would be more fully decriminalized/legalized and taxed and 2) hard drugs. And There should be a distinction made within the paradigm of hard drugs like say Heroine, Cocaine and such between addicts and traffickers.

The end user, the addict, should be treated as a victim suffering an illness, a victim of a crime committed by the pushers and traffickers. The former should receive extensive treatment from a medical stand point. And then you can debate about mandatory or what not within that context. However, for the latter group, unless we want to legalize hard drugs like was done pre-reset, we have to maintain some form of criminality and penalty for trafficking those drugs.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote on Amendment H10:01 by Oakvale

Aye (3): NC Yankee, Oakvale, and Rfayette
Nay (4): 1184AZ, LouisvilleThunder, ReaganClinton20xx, and Peebs
Abstain (1): Wxtransit

Didn't Vote (0):


The amendment has been rejected.

 

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Sponsor Feedback: Origination
Status: Representatives have 24 hours to object.

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An obvious issue that concerns me here is that an enterprising attorney for an incarcerated felon could easily argue to a sympathetic judge that even the most basic deprivations of ordinary liberties as a result of their imprisonment constitutes physical or mental abuse.

My issues with the gender identity clause remain - it's unclear to me what 'go by the gender they identify with' actually means and in any event I can foresee a grim reality in which we decide that reaffirming a gender binary is inherently oppressive anyway and we end up passing a new bill to allow for agendered prisons or whatever. Down the route of excessive liberalism lies madness.

It sort of goes back to the involuntary servitude clause, which we roiled over for some time last year in regards to conscription. There again an enterprising attorney could likewise argue that all prison is a form of involuntary servitude and hence the need for the due process exclusion being present after the ban on such heretofore in the constitution.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So where are we at here?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

So where are we at here?

The font just got ten points higher!!!

And it will get 10 pts higher tomorrow.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This needs a new sponsor.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Representatives have 24 hours to object to Masta's assumption of Sponsorship.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Without objection Masta is now sponsor.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Are there any amendments on the way here?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

One last chance here, Representatives have 24 hours to object to proceeding immediately to a final vote.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I am currently writing up an amendment to allow job security to those convicted for drug abuse. Could you extend the objection period 12 hours or so, yankee?

I guess, but I think we are beyond 12 at this point.

March 16, 2018, 07:44:22 pm
March 14, 2018, 12:07:13 pm

3   16  2018  07:44:22
3   14  2018  12:07:13
0    2   0          5:37:09

= 53 hours, 37 minutes and 9 seconds since the request was made.

I would be very interested in that amendment though.

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3   14  2018  12:07:13 PM
3   18  2018   2:13:23 AM

0     3   0       14:6:10

86 hours, 6 minutes and 10 seconds

So that amendment?