HB 1191: Party Organisation Act

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This is actually an idea that I came up with a little less than two years ago -- when I was Governor, I spitballed with Yankee about the possibility of having organized Presidential primaries. So, I'll butt in to offer my take:

Primaries are an interesting concept, but when you keep in mind that parties generally don't have more than one or two dozen active members, some primaries could have only a handful of voters. In addition, I think that IRL America's convention system is a pretty outdated model that takes power out of the hands of the actual voters, and the current system (in which the party's actual voters are the final arbiters of nominees) is more than adequate.

If Atlasia had hundreds or even thousands of active players in all sorts of different states, and you could get a few dozen people voting in each regional primary, maybe the non-convention part of this would be a good idea. With these things, simpler is usually better.

I miss those days.


It is an important point about the size of the player base, in a given region.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

If there's no further comment I'll submit an amendment shortly to excise the primary system since the primary purpose of the Act is actually to close a major loophole on the lack of a definition for a 'major' party in our Constitution.

Ironically for me to be saying this you, but it is just too complex a system to maintain I would fear. It would be one step away from us adopting an electoral college. Maybe it would be a fun dynamic, but it is something I think a party should experiment with voluntarily with first before mandating the system for all parties.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Why strip away party affiliation appearing on ballot for someone in a member party? I think they should have the right to run under the party's name of their registration.

Strange coming from someone claiming political parties had no control who could be on a ballot using their name, and now you want to stop a citizen from appearing with his registered party.

Tiny parties are not a problem. I don't see the need to try to make them invisible or more difficult to exist.

If you want to make rules for parties, male rules for big ones. Why not forbid them to run primaries to choose one canddiate for a race, that way every party member could have the right to run in any election with the party's name. It could produce races with more candidates and offer more choices to citizens.     

I'm going to agree with Poirot here. Having individual parties is what makes Atlasia interesting, and if this passes, parties like the Liberal Democrats would effectively, in terms of elections, cease to exist.

You could offer an amendment to adjust that portion.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

As long as they don't overlap, it is possible to do multiple amendments and even multiple votes at the same time. It is also possible to split an amendment and declare half friendly and half hostile and proceed with a vote on the hostile portion while the firendly one gets the 24 hours treatment. 

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Oakvale's amendment is adopted.

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Status: A vote is now open on the above amendment, please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Come on, that PM only had 4 links in it!

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

AYE

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote on Passage of Amendment H10:11 by WxTransit

Aye (7): NC Yankee, Oakvale, Peebs, PoliticalMasta73, ReaganClinton20xx, Rfayette, and Wxtransit
Nay (0):
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (2): Jake and Leinad. (Technically RC's vote was too late, but it won't change the result and he just wore back in).

The amendment is adopted.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Are there anymore desired changes or lingering concerns that have not been addressed? I suggest reposting any pending concerns so that the new members might be able to see them first hand.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

A final vote is now open on this legislation, Representatives please vote Aye, Nay or Abstain.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

AYE

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Vote on final passage of the Party Organization Act

Aye (6): NC Yankee, Oakvale, Peebs, PoliticalMasta73, TheGovanahJake, WxTransit
Nay (0):
Abstain (0):

Didn't Vote (3): ReaganClinton20xx, Rfayette, and Weatherboy1102


The bill has passed the House and is sent to the Senate PPT/VP for Senate action.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Atlasian People's House of Representatives
Passed 6-0 in the Atlasian House Assembled,

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