Gay Marriage- a general discussion.

[classical liberal]

I love it when people bring up Greece on this issue because it makes my point fairly well.  In ancient Greece, even if a man was gay, he still married a woman and fathered her children.  Marriage was even then about child raising.  Despite being gay, the man would be with a woman in marriage.

For the record:

A gay person doesn't have the right to marry another man, but neither does a straight person.  The only difference is that the gay person wants that right and a straight person doesn't.  There is no disparity; a gay man can still, as in ancient Greece, marry a woman and sire children.

On a similar note:
After the 13th amendment to the US Constitution, former slave owners lost their rights to own slaves.  However, at the same time abolitionists too lost THEIR slave owning rights.  The only difference was that the slave owners wanted that right and the abolitionists did not.

[classical liberal]

Nowadays, parents don't lease their children for advantageous business relationships anymore. Women are free to marry any guy they wish, within limits. So, what woman would consider marrying a used homosexual?

I know a lot of girls who would like to marry the gay guys I know.

[classical liberal]

Secondly yes a gay person can marry a straight person, but thats bot what its avout.  You and I are able to marry the person we love, a gay person wants that same right to marry the person that they love.

Marriage has nothing to do with love.  It is about creating a stable environment for raising a child.  Every messed-up person I know was the product of an unstable developmental environment.

[classical liberal]

Marriage is about stability, not love.

[classical liberal]

Brambila-

So you'd ban marriages for people who can't have children? Those who are disabled, or too old to have children? If a woman is close to menopause, does she have to provide proof that she still has her period?

Actually, at one time, the mentally retarded, disabled, etc. were banned from marrying.

My father is a quadriplegic, paralyzed from the middle of the chest down, and he got married after becoming one. Why shouldn't my father have been allowed to marry my stepmother?

Because they could not have possibly created any children in need of raising.  I'm not saying that they can't be together, just that they shouldn't be married.

[classical liberal]

If a couple will be raising a child, the couple should marry.

[classical liberal]

That was the working definition until around 45 years ago.  Funnily enough, the moral decline in this country coincides with the transition of popular opinion regarding marriage as a union of love rather than one of a stable child-raising environment.

[classical liberal]

aren't the 10 commandments part of the law of moses which is supposedly not binding anymore?

relatedly:

This thought popped into my head as I was ordering lunch today.  I was wondering why the Christian Fundamentalist Faction is so intent on keeping other people out of hell.  Isn't it everyone's own responsibility to keep themselves out of hell?  Where do you get off pushing a growth in government with the intent of doing for others what they should be doing for themselves?

[classical liberal]

In context:

If you make the choice to be gay, you should suffer the consequences.  It is not my responsibility to keep f****ts out of hell when they make active choices to go there.

[classical liberal]

What I'm saying is: isn't it each person's job to not sin/atone for past sins, not someone else's?