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WMS
Junior Chimp
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« on: July 13, 2006, 12:55:48 PM »

Hopefully Hezbollah will finally reap what it has sown. And this is also exposing that the Lebanese government has been too afraid to face down Hezbollah...and now is paying a price for that. I think the Israelis have finally had it with the duplicity of some of their neighbors...
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2006, 01:23:01 PM »

Hopefully Hezbollah will finally reap what it has sown. And this is also exposing that the Lebanese government has been too afraid to face down Hezbollah...and now is paying a price for that. I think the Israelis have finally had it with the duplicity of some of their neighbors...

The trouble is that Hezbollah are extremely popular with the Lebanese people, so no government has had the guts to do anything about them, lest they risk getting obliterated at the ballot box.

On this note, Shimon Peres has made it very clear that this campaign is against Hezbollah (the group) and not Lebanon per se. Clearly, this is just rhetoric, but it's welcome rhetoric.

Anyway, I personally doubt this will escalate into an all-out war, as some people here are suggesting. But that's just a gut feeling I have.



Well, Hezbollah is popular among a certain segment of the population, a very well-armed segment. Wink Given that Hezbollah is running their own state in the Bekaa Valley, that doesn't say much for the central government's control.

And good to see Peres saying that. Smiley
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2006, 02:18:46 PM »

Question: are we all certain that the reports of 'civilian deaths caused by Israel' are accurate? There's been a lot of unconditional acceptance of every assertion made against the Israelis in this thread so far...
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Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2006, 02:43:20 PM »

Question: are we all certain that the reports of 'civilian deaths caused by Israel' are accurate? There's been a lot of unconditional acceptance of every assertion made against the Israelis in this thread so far...

My numbers came from a wikipedia article that seems to vary basing its numbers on media reports and government reports.  The high numbers of civilians are of course provided the Lebanese government.  Really, I'm just using the likely skewed numbers to make fun of Israel for seemingly failing to maintain a better military:civilian ratio than Hezbollah, which is firing missiles randomly into population centers.

Still, judging from the amount of foreign casualities and the direct accounts in media reports, there does seem to be a fairly high amount of civilian casualities.  It's just haphazard extrapolation from the amount of Candians, Brazilians, and publiciced women & children, but I do believe that Israel is goofing up to some degree.

I've read the same article, and knew very well the source was not exactly unbiased. Wink Whenever I start to hear reports of how Israel (or the U.S.) always hits innocent civvies and never hits militants or insurgents, I get more than a little suspicious, shall we say. Tongue

It wouldn't surprise me if some civvies are getting caught in the crossfire of operations - inevitable when your enemy hides among the civilian population - but I highly doubt Israel (or, again, the U.S. in Iraq) is deliberately targeting civilians.

But just wait until there's a ground war...and all the arguments triple in intensity.
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