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izixs
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« on: December 12, 2019, 05:05:37 PM »

So... the UK just committed suicide then? Going all Brexity, selling off their NHS, embracing the politics of racists, and bringing to an end responsible government from here on out?

Well... I guess to a degree I'm not surprised. But if the UK chooses suffering, then that is what they shall have.

Let me know when they get things together again. If they ever do.
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izixs
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« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2019, 07:14:48 PM »

In addition to the global trends, this was a total failure on the part of anti-Brexit crowd to unite against Boris.

They did it on the Leave side with BXP standing down in Tory districts.

LibDems and Labour failed to get along in the same way.

Democrats in the US have to take note. Moderate Dems, progressives, moderate Republicans must wholly unite against Trump or assure re-election.

That of course is directed at all parties, [SNIPPED]

I think that a lot depends on the specific seats, but generally yes. Lots of Lib Dem - Tory marginals where Labour should’ve stepped aside. But a fair number that the Lib Dems shouldn’t have contested.

Some of this seems to assume that the Liberal Dems aren't actually okay with the conservatives winning. The more I see their antics, the more they come off like the US green party except staked out in the center left instead of far left as far as electoral posturing is concerned. To be clear, that means a lot of posturing, being useless, having little interest in actually governing, and more than happy to carry water for the most destructive elements of the right's propaganda.

But sure, because they were the most anti-Brexit of the big 3 they can be totally trusted to do the right thing when it comes crunch time. Right.

*looks at the Lib Dems who didn't do that for this election*

...Right....
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izixs
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E: -8.31, S: -6.51

« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2019, 07:26:26 PM »

In addition to the global trends, this was a total failure on the part of anti-Brexit crowd to unite against Boris.

They did it on the Leave side with BXP standing down in Tory districts.

LibDems and Labour failed to get along in the same way.

Democrats in the US have to take note. Moderate Dems, progressives, moderate Republicans must wholly unite against Trump or assure re-election.

That of course is directed at all parties, [SNIPPED]

I think that a lot depends on the specific seats, but generally yes. Lots of Lib Dem - Tory marginals where Labour should’ve stepped aside. But a fair number that the Lib Dems shouldn’t have contested.

Some of this seems to assume that the Liberal Dems aren't actually okay with the conservatives winning. The more I see their antics, the more they come off like the US green party except staked out in the center left instead of far left as far as electoral posturing is concerned. To be clear, that means a lot of posturing, being useless, having little interest in actually governing, and more than happy to carry water for the most destructive elements of the right's propaganda.

But sure, because they were the most anti-Brexit of the big 3 they can be totally trusted to do the right thing when it comes crunch time. Right.

*looks at the Lib Dems who didn't do that for this election*

...Right....
Don't blame the Lib Dems for what's happening in Northern England. If anything, they're going to dent the Conservative majority by getting a few seats in the South Labour could have never won.

Right. So Labour and the remain folks should be happy for them for holding back the 70 something-th punch because that's oh so much better and makes everything a-okay.

When you're dealing with conservatives in this day and age, if they can edge even a slight majority they'll tear through a country enacting their extremist agenda like they won with 90% of the vote. A few brights spots don't cut it unless they are specifically what keeps them out of the majority.
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izixs
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2019, 09:10:47 PM »

I'm curious to see if the Labor losses end up being such that they can finally go full anti-Brexit after this as they'll be less concerned with trying to appease the ridiculous folks on the issue.
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