Palestine college student protest megathread

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Gets outsized attention because its an important site for 3 world religions.

This. And we're funding the more morally questionable side, unlike Ukraine.

Israel is more morally questionable than Hamas?? I guess that’s technically true since Hamas is just pure evil

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Gets outsized attention because its an important site for 3 world religions.

This. And we're funding the more morally questionable side, unlike Ukraine.

Israel is more morally questionable than Hamas?? I guess that’s technically true since Hamas is just pure evil

Really hope that Horus responds to this. I think he just worded his post poorly, but I’d really like to verify that he doesn’t actually think Israel is more morally questionable than Hamas

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Gets outsized attention because its an important site for 3 world religions.

This. And we're funding the more morally questionable side, unlike Ukraine.

Israel is more morally questionable than Hamas?? I guess that’s technically true since Hamas is just pure evil

Really hope that Horus responds to this. I think he just worded his post poorly, but I’d really like to verify that he doesn’t actually think Israel is more morally questionable than Hamas

I mean, I thought it was extremely obvious that I was referring to the Palestinian cause as a whole. But I'll spell it out for you very plainly. Hamas is bad, but I have far more sympathy for the average Palestinian than I do the averages Israeli.

Why though? Even if your average Israeli supports the IDF, your average Palestinian supports Hamas, which is worse than the IDF.

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I don’t care whether you think Israel’s actions in Gaza are justified or not. The actions and conduct of these protesters has been straight up despicable and you should be ashamed of yourself if you’re still supporting them.

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I can't stress enough just how much >90% of employed people despise protests like this. The left has completely failed to appeal to working people and there seems to be no interest in fixing that.

gainfully employed people are the enemy, we support genocide by working for "the man" or something

It’s funny because when you say that it is a moral failing of the Palestinian people to let Hamas remain as their governing body, progressives become extremely hostile and insist that you’re evil for saying that citizens are responsible to some extent for the actions of their government.

It’s a moral failing for us to support a government which is funding Israel, but not a moral failing of Palestinians to support a government which is actively trying to genocide the Jewish people

“Silence is violence, except if you’re poor and brown skinned”

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I can't stress enough just how much >90% of employed people despise protests like this. The left has completely failed to appeal to working people and there seems to be no interest in fixing that.

gainfully employed people are the enemy, we support genocide by working for "the man" or something

It’s funny because when you say that it is a moral failing of the Palestinian people to let Hamas remain as their governing body, progressives become extremely hostile and insist that you’re evil for saying that citizens are responsible to some extent for the actions of their government.

It’s a moral failing for us to support a government which is funding Israel, but not a moral failing of Palestinians to support a government which is actively trying to genocide the Jewish people

“Silence is violence, except if you’re poor and brown skinned”

I don't think the two are equivalent.  Palestinians have not had the opportunity to vote Hamas out of power.

I don’t think that’s a valid excuse when your authoritarian regime is blatantly genocidal. If Trump suspended American democracy and blatantly tried to wipe Muslims off the face of the Earth, it would be the responsibility of every American citizen to, at the very least, undermine the actions of our government

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I don't think the two are equivalent.  Palestinians have not had the opportunity to vote Hamas out of power.

I don’t think that’s a valid excuse when your authoritarian regime is blatantly genocidal. If Trump suspended American democracy and blatantly tried to wipe Muslims off the face of the Earth, it would be the responsibility of every American citizen to, at the very least, undermine the actions of our government

Are 11 year olds and their moms supposed to form anti-Hamas militias and risk being executed? Look at the demographics.

Some of the able-bodied men should. Besides, I’m not saying that every Gazan needs to be a hero who’s putting their life on the line to overthrow Hamas. Only a few would need to do that, especially when any anti-Hamas organization would have the backing of Israel and most the the West. Your average Palestinian could just donate a small portion of their income to a resistance, provide said resistance with some food/resources, etc.

At the end of the day, at least some people have to take the initiative to remove an authoritarian regime from power. Hamas isn’t just gonna suddenly vanish into thin air.

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I can't stress enough just how much >90% of employed people despise protests like this. The left has completely failed to appeal to working people and there seems to be no interest in fixing that.

gainfully employed people are the enemy, we support genocide by working for "the man" or something

It’s funny because when you say that it is a moral failing of the Palestinian people to let Hamas remain as their governing body, progressives become extremely hostile and insist that you’re evil for saying that citizens are responsible to some extent for the actions of their government.

It’s a moral failing for us to support a government which is funding Israel, but not a moral failing of Palestinians to support a government which is actively trying to genocide the Jewish people

“Silence is violence, except if you’re poor and brown skinned”

I don't think the two are equivalent.  Palestinians have not had the opportunity to vote Hamas out of power.

I don’t think that’s a valid excuse when your authoritarian regime is blatantly genocidal. If Trump suspended American democracy and blatantly tried to wipe Muslims off the face of the Earth, it would be the responsibility of every American citizen to, at the very least, undermine the actions of our government

I don’t disagree with you but for one, most Gazans are children and the rest live in abject poverty. They do not have the resources for resistance that you saw even in late 1900s South America.

Don’t forget that Netanyahu helped prop up Hamas for years and years hoping to divide Gaza from the West Bank and prevent a the creation of Palestine so you’re not going up against Hamas, but a Hamas being supported by Israel

I agree with you that Netanyahu should be removed from power, so I won’t argue with you there. But like I said in my reply to T’Chenka, somebody’s gotta take the initiative to remove an authoritarian regime from power. If the civilian populace won’t make any effort to do it, then a foreign government would have to. If said foreign government is facing an existential threat from your authoritarian government (like how Hamas poses an existential threat to Israel), then I’m willing to grant them some leniency in how they go about removing your authoritarian government from power. Obviously, committing an actual genocide against the Gazans would not be a justified response to their inaction against Hamas, and I have condemned cases where the IDF blatantly murdered innocents, like those 7 aid workers. There certainly is a discussion to be had about how much leniency Israel should be granted. How much collateral damage is too much? The answer obviously isn’t that the total destruction of Gaza would be acceptable, but it’s also ridiculous how many leftists act like even just a single civilian casualty would render Israel’s campaign against Hamas immoral and unjustified (there’s been leftists, even on this very forum, accusing Israel of genocide, even when the bodies were still being counted on 10/7)

Anyways, the main point of my original post is that it’s a little hypocritical for pro-Palestine protesters to justify blocking roads and being a nuisance to American citizens because “Americans deserve it for supporting a government that’s funding genocide” when Palestinians themselves are supporting (at the very least through their taxes and goods/services they provide, even if they personally don’t condone Hamas’s actions) a government that is straight up trying to commit a genocide.