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paul718
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« on: July 06, 2009, 04:15:36 PM »


And your comparison with Biden is really hilarious. Biden was a well-known windbag. But nobody ever disputed the fact that he is a very intelligent man and a leading expert on foreign policy in the Senate.

You can't be serious.

A LOT of people thought he was far from intelligent, and questioned his foreign policy credentials.  Sure, he's been involved in foreign policy issues, how does that make him any kind of "expert"? 

"NO" on the Gulf War.
"YES" on the Iraq War.
"NO" on the surge.
Divide Iraq into 3 autonomous states. 

George W. Bush was involved in business for how many years, and no one would hail him as a "leading expert in business."  Give me a break.  He committed more gaffes than Palin during the '08 campaign, and had less of an excuse for them.

I'm sorry, but you have to change your avatar.  You cannot possibly label yourself an "Independent" while defending Joe Biden and calling him an "expert on foreign policy". 

I just fell off my chair.
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paul718
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« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2009, 04:51:13 PM »


And your comparison with Biden is really hilarious. Biden was a well-known windbag. But nobody ever disputed the fact that he is a very intelligent man and a leading expert on foreign policy in the Senate.

You can't be serious.

A LOT of people thought he was far from intelligent, and questioned his foreign policy credentials.  Sure, he's been involved in foreign policy issues, how does that make him any kind of "expert"? 

"NO" on the Gulf War.
"YES" on the Iraq War.
"NO" on the surge.
Divide Iraq into 3 autonomous states. 

George W. Bush was involved in business for how many years, and no one would hail him as a "leading expert in business."  Give me a break.  He committed more gaffes than Palin during the '08 campaign, and had less of an excuse for them.

I'm sorry, but you have to change your avatar.  You cannot possibly label yourself an "Independent" while defending Joe Biden and calling him an "expert on foreign policy". 

I just fell off my chair.

The only bad decision I see is the Yes for the Iraq War, a transparenrtly political vote.

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And you seem to be in the minority of thinking the Gulf War and the "surge" were mistakes.  You're entitled to your opinions and all, but I'd take the judgment by the public over that by his colleagues in the Senate.  That's 3 of the most important foreign policy votes of the last 20 years that your "foreign policy expert" has been on the wrong side of.


"NO" on the Gulf War.
"YES" on the Iraq War.
"NO" on the surge.
Divide Iraq into 3 autonomous states. 

I would have voted "NO" on all of them. Congratulations for selling out once again. I hope you got a high price for it.

..says the so-called Libertarian who voted for the ticket of "spreading the wealth around" and "paying taxes = patriotism".
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paul718
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« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2009, 08:10:43 PM »


I thought the conservative position was to avoid foreign entaglements. But it seems now that the neocons and their admirers have become more Wilsonian than Wilson himself ever was.

There are anti-war Republicans, just like there are pro-war Democrats.  I am an anti-war Republican.  I was merely pointing out that, generally, Americans approved of the Gulf War, disapproved of the Iraq War, and approved of the surge.  If you can counter those points, then counter them.  I made those statements in order to refute your assertion that "nobody ever disputed the fact that [Joe Biden] is a very intelligent man and a leading expert on foreign policy in the Senate."



And I fail to see how saying that paying your taxes is patriotic, is somehow a gaffe. Unless of course you advocate tax evasion.

He said paying more taxes was patriotic (excuse me).  I guess you weren't paying attention to the news at that time.  But, yeah, it was a pretty big gaffe and he took a lot of heat for it. 


I thought the conservative position was to avoid foreign entaglements. But it seems now that the neocons and their admirers have become more Wilsonian than Wilson himself ever was.

Oh, it is. But, you see, poseurs like paul don't care about principle, or about the historical development of that principle. Because paul comes from a clique that has none, a worthless little Trotskyist clique that infiltrated the Republican Party during the Cold War and warped its core tenants to reflect their undying belief in world revolution. His hypocrisy is simply an outgrowth of that.

In my dealings with you I have not once expressed any pro-war sentiment.  You just made that up.  Just now.  Why did you make that up?  For someone who seems to take a lot of time in his long-winded posts, you have a knack for being easily caught posting blatant untruths. 

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