NY: Convicted Felon Donald Trump!

[GeorgiaModerate]

This is a politically motivated witch-hunt

If so, then so far it's found a broom, a cauldron, and a gingerbread house.

[GeorgiaModerate]

I don't believe people realize what will happen if Trump gets arrested.  A lot of his supporters feel they have nothing to lose.  Plus, Trump himself is going to fuel the fire.  This is going to get very ugly....  

True but we can’t let Trump or his supporters use violence or the threat of it to make themselves above the law

You have to pick and choose your battles though. Arresting Trump on Jan 6th makes perfect sense , but arresting Trump on this isn’t worth the damage it would do to the country .

No, you don't.  The law applies to everyone equally, or there is no law.  The kind of accommodation you're proposing is banana republic stuff.

[GeorgiaModerate]

You know who agrees with me on this , Barack Obama

Aren't you the one who keeps saying Obama appeased Putin too much? Maybe you had a point. Obama is too "No Drama" for his own good, and frankly always has been. He basically abandoned everyone when we needed him the most, when he could have been the rallying point for the "resistance" against Trump. I no longer give much of a f--k what Obama says. He represents a different, more naive time.

If You are gonna are arrest Trump over this , the same logic is that Clinton should have been arrested over perjuring himself . Similarly if you prosecuted Bush and Cheney over Iraq or Gitmo you would open the door to many presidents being prosecuted over foreign policy actions which in turn would greatly hamper the effectiveness of our foreign policy .

These types of actions set precedent for the future and that’s why caution must be taken

I could go through and dismantle each and every one of these "whataboutisms" bit by bit to point out just how ridiculous they are, but that would be giving far too much credit to "logic" that would put a Russian propagandist to shame.

Just absolutely disgraceful.

These types of actions absolutely DO set precedent for the future, on that we can agree, and that's why we MUST do the right thing. Other countries have arrested and imprisoned former heads of government. States in this country have arrested and imprisoned governors. And they haven't fallen apart. Trump is not above the law or the rest of the world, despite the impression that his thug mobster life might give one. It's time that reality FINALLY hits this monster in the face. Period.

Then charge him for Jan 6th or the fake electoral vote thing in GA . I would agree with the fact he should be prosecuted over that .

Just not this

Please do remember, if and when Trump is charged over either of those events, that you have stipulated he should be prosecuted for them.  If you subsequently argue that he shouldn't be prosecuted "for the good of the country" or any other reason, this post WILL come back to haunt you.  I am screenshotting it.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Good point here:

https://twitter.com/Alex_Panetta/status/1637171389974081536

[GeorgiaModerate]

Biden needs to be very careful how he speaks about this.

"This is a New York State matter.  The federal government is not involved in this investigation or indictment."

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/DougJBalloon/status/1637282221932560384

Saw this and it kind of crystallized something I've been mulling over.  I don't think an indictment will change very many votes in either direction.  Here's why:

Who will change their mind to vote for Trump solely because he's been indicted?  If someone wasn't already going to vote for him, an indictment is surely no plus.  Perhaps there are a few people who might do it as a root-for-the-underdog thing (although the idea of Trump as an underdog in life is rather laughable), but it's got to be a very small number.

Who will change their mind to NOT vote for Trump because of the indictment?  Most people who have stuck with him this long are solidly behind him regardless of any of his negatives, as in his famous "I could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue" quote.  He won't lose many, if any, diehard supporters over this.

The only place I can see it making a difference is among truly undecided voters, in either the primary or general election, trying to make up their minds at the last minute, and this could be the straw that tips them into voting for someone else or just sitting out.

On balance, I see at most a small negative electoral effect for Trump.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Trump is only going to get more unhinged as things get worse for him.

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1637817111216107522

The brainworms have indeed gotten to Tenney.

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1637809504581550081

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://nypost.com/2023/03/20/house-wants-ny-da-bragg-to-answer-for-politically-motivated-trump-case/

House wants NY DA Bragg to answer for ‘politically motivated’ Trump case


The chairmen of the House Oversight and Judiciary committees on Monday demanded that Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg hand over documents and testify about “what plainly appears to be a politically motivated” prosecution of former President Donald Trump.

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The request for Bragg’s testimony could become a subpoena if he doesn’t comply.

I expect that such a subpoena would be easily quashed.  Congress has no jurisdiction over a state DA, nor is there a "legitimate legislative interest" that would allow them to compel testimony.

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://nypost.com/2023/03/20/house-wants-ny-da-bragg-to-answer-for-politically-motivated-trump-case/

House wants NY DA Bragg to answer for ‘politically motivated’ Trump case


The chairmen of the House Oversight and Judiciary committees on Monday demanded that Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg hand over documents and testify about “what plainly appears to be a politically motivated” prosecution of former President Donald Trump.

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The request for Bragg’s testimony could become a subpoena if he doesn’t comply.

I expect that such a subpoena would be easily quashed.  Congress has no jurisdiction over a state DA, nor is there a "legitimate legislative interest" that would allow them to compel testimony.

their letter:

“If these reports are accurate, your actions will erode confidence in the evenhanded application of justice and unalterably interfere in the course of the 2024 presidential election,” Jordan and Comer wrote in the letter, which was also signed by House Administration Committee Chairman Bryan Steil (R-Wis.).

And what legislation, specifically, are they considering that's relevant? 

[GeorgiaModerate]

"Legitimate legislative interest" doesn't mean there has to a specific legislation pending. Bragg's testimony would aid general consideration of whether and how to legislate on election laws or local DA's ability to target federal elections, such as presidential campaigns

Is your argument that people running for president should be above the law?

Is it your argument that local DAs can use politically motivated prosecutions to interfere with national elections?

Even the most woke leftists acknowledge that Bragg has an extremely weak case

If it's a weak case, then Trump will be acquitted.  Let the judicial system work the way it's supposed to work.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Yep, if you break the law then the government can come after you too.

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1637905978455650308

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1637913978201309184

Earlier I didn't think it would happen for another couple days, but now I wouldn't be surprised if an indictment comes down this evening.

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1637938226437537792

[GeorgiaModerate]

I've also heard that the reason we heard "today or Wednesday" for a potential indictment is that the grand jury doesn't meet every day, and tomorrow is a day off for them.

[GeorgiaModerate]

*surprised pikachu*

Business Insider:

https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/world/story/us-attorney-who-is-likely-to-arrest-donald-trump-got-funding-from-george-soros-report-374010-2023-03-19

George Soros, a Hungarian-American billionaire who recently targeted India's Adani Group, is currently under attack in America for allegedly funding the attorney who is said to be preparing to arrest former US President Donald Trump.

Trump is facing a probe for allegedly paying a hush-money to adult film star Stormy Daniels and reports suggest that he may be arrested by next week. The probe against Trump is being led by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg, who according to reports got support from a political action committee that took money from George Soros.

Bragg is not currently a U.S. Attorney, although he previously served as one before becoming the New York County (Manhattan) District Attorney -- a state level office.

[GeorgiaModerate]

So indictment isn't going to happen today? And next week at earliest?

Probably not today because I've seen reports that the grand jury doesn't meet today.  Maybe tomorrow, maybe later.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Hopefully the DA has been talked out of it.  Whatever you think of Trump, this leads nowhere good.  Would likely result in every former president being prosecuted going forward. 

This is equivalent to saying that former Presidents should be entitled to break laws with impunity.

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/MikeSington/status/1638257402196946944

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1638571047157940224

[GeorgiaModerate]

Regardless of how one feels about Fox News, it's always a good idea to wait for confirmation from multiple sources about such reporting.  None of the legal commentators I follow have mentioned anything similar yet.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Part of me wonders if Bragg is just dragging this out to mess with Trump's state of mind.

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/SpiroAgnewGhost/status/1638956319452585984