List of Alternate Presidents (user search)
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
June 01, 2024, 08:57:49 PM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion
  Election What-ifs? (Moderator: Dereich)
  List of Alternate Presidents (search mode)
Pages: 1 [2] 3 4
Author Topic: List of Alternate Presidents  (Read 548653 times)
Historico
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 981
United States


« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2009, 06:52:19 PM »

Ok here is a list based on if Al Smith was able to gain the nod again in 1932, and went on to win a narrow victory over Hoover.

31. Herbert Hoover (R-CA): March 4th 1929-March 4th 1933
32. Alfred E. “Al” Smith Jr. (D-NY): March 4th 1933-October 4th 1944*
33. Millard Evelyn Tidings (D-MD): October 4th 1944-January 20th 1949

34. John W. Bricker (R-OH): January 20th 1949-January 20th 1957
35. William Averell Harriman (D-NY): January 20th 1957-November 22nd 1963*
36. Albert A. Gore Sr. (D-TN): November 22nd 1963-January 20th 1969

37. William W. Scranton (R-PA): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1973
38.  William C. Westmoreland (R-SC): January 20th 1973-January 20th 1981

39.  Birch E. Bayh II (D-IN) January 20th 1981-November 1st 1985*
40. Frances T. “Sissy” Farenthold (D-TX) November 1st 1985- January 20th 1993*

41.  Jack F. Kemp (R-NY): January 20th 1993-January 20th 2001
42.  Andrew Young (D-GA): January 20th 2001-March 12th 2002*
43. Albert A. “Al” Gore Jr. (D-TN): March 12th 2002-January 20th 2009

44. William W. Scranton, III (R-PA): January 20th 2009-???

Notes.

32. Died in office of a massive heart attack
35. Assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald in Dallas, Texas.
39. Assassinated by a crazed anti-nuclear weapons activist.
40. First Female President of the United States
42. First African-American President of the United States, also killed in a domestic terrorism bombing

Logged
Historico
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 981
United States


« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2009, 08:20:26 AM »

Ok here is my newest list...Based on if former First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt had accepted President Truman's offer of the VP slot during the 1948 Election.
**********
Eleanor's Day

33. Hary S. Truman (D-MO): April 12th 1945-November 1st 1950*
34. Eleanor Roosevelt (D-NY): November 1st 1950-January 20th 1953

35. Robert A. Taft (R-OH): January 20th-July 31st 1953*
36. Douglas MacArthur (R-AK): July 31st 1953-January 20th 1961

37. Frank G. Clement (D-TN): January 20th 1961-June 12th 1963*
38. Robert F. Wagner Jr. (D-NY): June 12th 1963-January 20th 1969

39. Nelson A. Rockefeller (R-NY): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1977
40. Edward M. “Ted” Kennedy (D-MA): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1981
41. John M. Ashbrook (R-OH): January 20th 1981-April 24th 1982*
42. John G. Tower (R-TX): April 24th 1982-January 20th 1989
43. Arlen Specter (R-PA): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993

44. Kent Conrad (D-ND): January 20th 1993-January 20th 2001
45. Winthrop P. Rockefeller Jr. (R-AK): January 20th 2001-July 16th 2006*
46.  Richard G. “Dick” Lugar (R-IN): July 16th 2006-January 20th 2009

47. Robert C. “Bobby” Scott (D-VA): January 20th 2009-???

Notes.

33. President Truman is able to convince former First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt to run with him as his Vice Presidential Running mate. Her enormous popularity ensures an even more decisive victory of Dewey, Thurmond, and Wallace. However, due to butterflies…Harry S. Truman is assassinated by Puerto Rican nationalists Griselio Torresola and Oscar Collazo outside the Blair House on November 1st 1950.

34. Eleanor Roosevelt is sworn as the nation’s 34th and first Female President. Eleanor continued many of the New Deal Programs, doesn’t attempt to seize the Steel Mills and fought off calls from Joseph McCarthy about Communists in her administration. In dealing with the Korean War, she does not cross the 38th Parallel, which allowed the US to properly fund the Chinese to do the fighting for them. Despite her high approval ratings, Eleanor cites against running for a Second term in her own right, citing her age. Her lack of a Vice President leads to an incredibly divided National Convention in 1952.

35. Adlai Stevenson is able to clinch the Democratic Nomination away from Senator Estes Kefauver. The Republican National Convention was almost just as divided, as General Eisenhower declined the nomination. Senator Robert Taft would clinch the nomination after several rounds of balloting and choose General Douglas MacArthur as his running mate. The Taft/MacArthur ticket would go on to soundly defeat Stevenson in the General Election. However Bob Taft would not be able to institute many of his Conservative Reforms, when he died of a Brain Hemorrhage from complications of cancer, only seven months after being inaugurated.

36. Douglas MacArthur was sworn in as the nation’s 36th President, after the nation suffered its third Presidential death in less than ten years. President MacArthur would govern a relatively quiet and boring 1950’s much like OTL Eisenhower did. Although 76 years old, the Vigorous MacArthur decides to seek a second term and indeed wins it against New York Governor Averell Harriman. MacArthur leaves office with high approval ratings and as the nation’s oldest president at 80 years old.

37. In 1960, The Democrats needed a Young Moderate that could appeal to both the South and its growing ethnic strength in the Northeast. Due to his rapidly declining health Senator John F. Kennedy of Massachusetts, declined to seek the Presidency. The American People would turn to the 40 year old, Two-Term former Governor of Tennessee Frank G. Clement, who with the support of Lyndon B. Johnson and the Southern Bosses was able to clinch the nomination. For his running mate Clement chose chief Primary rival, the Catholic New York Senator Robert F. Wagner Jr. The Clement/Wagner ticket would win a narrow victory over Vice President Wayne Morse and his running mate Senator Roman Hruska of Nebraska. President Clement would handle things relatively like Jack did IOTL, even on Civil Rights. In the summer of 1963, in order to squelch the growing backlash against the Civil Rights movement, Clement did a Southern Listening Tour. On June 12th, in Jackson, Mississippi…President Clement would meet with NAACP Field Secretary Medger Evers, when both were assassinated by Byron de la Beckwith. He was only 43 years old.

38. Robert F. Wagner Jr. was sworn in as the nation’s first Catholic President and 38th President. After the assassination of Clement, Wagner felt as if something had to be done about Civil Rights, and after months of arm twisting…The Civil Rights Act of 1964 passed. Wagner, with his running mate Governor John Connally of Texas would win a landslide victory over the Nixon/Goldwater ticket. However, it would be a growing White Backlash against Urban rioters, Anti-War protests against his escalation of Vietnam and an increased Tax Burden due to a large number of his domestic programs that would ensure his defeat to fellow New Yorker, the Law and Order moderate Governor Nelson Rockefeller.

39. Nelson Rockefeller ascended the White House to fight a nation torn asunder, and he felt that he was just the man to unite it. His presidency, with his foreign policy guided by Henry Kissinger, would be almost identical to the policies pursued by OTL Nixon and Ford. He would win, despite being distracted by his increasingly ill brother Winthrop, a landslide victory over former Vice President Connally with his running mate Senator Ed Muskie. Yet a worsening economy and lack of personality would doom Vice President Dole’s chances of winning the Presidency, against the political Kennedy machine.

Logged
Historico
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 981
United States


« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2009, 08:21:00 AM »

40. In the aftermath of the assassination of his brother Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy in 1968, Senator Edward M. Kennedy felt as if the weight of his father’s hopes rested in his shoulders. He finally convinced himself to run against the perceived weak Vice President Dole in the 1976 election. However during the Presidency, the young Teddy was not able to shake his playboy image, and a republican Congress shot down many of his attempts to pass Wagnerian Domestic Programs. Kennedy’s indecisiveness in dealing with the Iran Hostage Crisis effectively ended his chances of reelection against the fiery conservative ticket of Ohio Governor John Ashbrook and former Defense Secretary John Tower of Texas.

41. Former Ohio Congressman turned Governor in 1974; John M. Ashbrook quickly rose as the figurehead of the growing Conservative wing of the GOP. After sweeping the moderate opposition in the 1980 primaries, Ashbrook would clinch the nomination and choose former Senator and Secretary of Defense John Tower as his running mate. The Ashbrook/Tower ticket would soundly defeat Kennedy/Askew in the General Election. His Conservative Revolution was short lived as he died of a massive Gastric Hemorrhage while in office.

42. John Tower would take on the mantle of the Presidency after President Ashbrook’s sudden death and continue his conservative policies, whether that would Supply-side economics, a massive buildup of the US Military or hard balling the Soviets. His pick of moderate Senator Alen Specter of Pennsylvania as his running mate was crucial to his gargantuan victory over former Vice President Ruben Askew in the 1984 election. Questions over his alcoholism and womanizing would badly damage his approval ratings at the end of his second term. Vice President Specter worked hard to distance himself from the President’s personal issues, and was able to secure his own nomination and narrowly beat the gaffe prone Senator Joe Biden of Delaware.

43. The nation’s first Jewish President would receive high approval ratings in pursuit of his moderate approval ratings and his successful execution of solving the Persian Gulf Crisis. However, it would be Specter’s own party and the economy which would prove to be his downfall. A strong third party showing led by Conservative Patrick Buchanan weekend Specter’s already lukewarm support in the South threw the ’92 election to moderate-to-conservative Democrat…Senator Kent Conrad of North Dakota.

44. With his immense knowledge of Economic issues, Kent Conrad, a farm Baby Boomer from North Dakota was able to use that to his advantage in the 1992 General Election. Conrad’s 1st term was mainly hampered by a resurgent Republican congress in 1994, but he did manage to have a balanced federal budget by the end of his 1st term. Conrad in 1996 would go on to defeat former Vice President Donald Rumsfeld of Illinois in the General Election by a fairly comfortable margin. Conrad’s second term would even be more Republican-lite as he mostly dealt with the American response to the genocide in Kosovo and a push for Alternative energy sources. The President’s immense popularity upon leaving office was thought to guarantee Vice President Mckernan the 2000 election…that would turn out to not be the case.

45. Vice President John Mckernan would be denied in the Presidency not by the popular vote of America but in the House of Representatives. In the closest election in history, neither candidate received the necessary amount of electoral votes to win the Presidency as it was effectively tied. However since congress had been in GOP hands since ’95, their Delegations went for the moderate-to-conservative Arkansas Governor Winthrop Paul Rockefeller and his running mate Senator Dick Lugar of Indiana. Yet coming in to office without a mandate from the public and congressional deadlock caused Rockefeller to have a rough start at the Presidency. On March 30th 2003, catastrophe struck as Islamic Fundamentalist terrorist hijacked multiple airplanes and crashed them into several American monuments. President Rockefeller’s approval ratings would soar in the aftermath of the attacks and his successful persecution of his War on Terror would ensure his reelection against Senator Sam Nunn of Georgia in 2004. However On July 20, 2005, however, citing myeloproliferative disease, a blood disorder that could have developed into leukemia if left untreated, transferred his executive powers to Vice President Lugar. Rockefeller underwent several unsuccessful bone marrow transplants, and only almost a year later lost his battle with the disease on July 16th 2006.

46. Richard G. “Dick” Lugar would ascend to the Presidency, amid a nation consumed in grief and uncertainty. In the month’s following Rockefeller’s death Lugar would use the Presidency to try to get a number of treaties passed for the dismantling of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons with various nations. He would also push for subsidies for farmers to turn their corn into Ethanol to help wing America’s dependence of foreign oil. In the end Lugar’s advanced age, his lack of a successful conclusion in the War on Terror and a Recession brought on by both Conrad era and Rockefeller era economic policies. He would loose his bid for reelection in 2008 against former Virginia Governor Bobby Scott.

47. The first African American and the first with Filipino Ancestry, Robert C. “Bobby” Scott came into the office under a platform of Change. The former congressman became Virginia’s second African American Governor on January 12 2002 and campaigned on Welfare Reform, Solving the economic crisis and ending the War in Terror with honor.
Logged
Historico
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 981
United States


« Reply #28 on: June 18, 2009, 04:49:31 PM »

Ok here is another quick list I whipped up based on if Humphrey had won the '68 election against Nixon and Wallace

All The Way with HHH

36. Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX): November 22nd 1963-January 20th 1969
37. Hubert H. Humphrey (D-MN): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1973

38. Ronald W. Reagan (R-CA):  January 20th 1973-September 5th 1975*
39. Charles H. “Chuck” Percy (R-IL): September 5th 1975-January 20th 1981

40. Harold E. Hughes (D-IA): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1985
41. Paul D. Laxalt (R-NV): January 20th 1985-January 20th 1993
42. Jack F. Kemp (R-NY): January 20th 1993-January 20th 1997

43. Kent Conrad (D-ND): January 20th 1997-January 20th 2005
44. Colin L. Powell (R-NY): January 20th 2005-???*

Notes.

38. Assassinated by Lynette “Squeaky” Fromme in Sacramento, California.
44. First African American President
Logged
Historico
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 981
United States


« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2009, 12:01:49 AM »

Here is a list based on if LBJ had picked Conneticut Senator Thomas Dodd instead of Humphrey for Vice President. Dodd is able to clinch the nomination and wins a narrow victory over Nixon and Wallace...Dodd is revealed for his corruption charges during his 1st term and resigns office before being impeached.

Doddamned

36. Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX): November 22nd 1963-January 20th 1969
37. Thomas J. Dodd (D-CT): January 20th 1969-January 1st 1971**
38. Harold E. Hughes (D-IA): January 1st 1971-January 20th 1973

39. Ronald Reagan (R-CA): January 20th 1973-January 20th 1981
40. Hugh L. Carey (D-NY): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1985
41. Pierre S. “Pete” du Pont IV (R-DE): January 20th 1985-January 20th 1993
42. Larry L. Pressler (R-SD): January 20th 1993-January 20th 1997

43. Joseph P. Kennedy II (D-MA): January 20th 1997-January 20th 2005
44. Lynn C. Swann (R-PA): January 20th 2005-???*

Notes.

37. First President to Resign Office mainly due to corruption charges
44. First African-American President.
Logged
Historico
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 981
United States


« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2009, 12:29:48 PM »

Ive Always wanted to do a list based on a Lindbergh presidency in 1940...This is as close to distopia as my lists can get lol.

32. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY): March 4th 1933-January 20th 1941
33. Charles Lindbergh (R-NY): January 20th 1941-April 12th 1945*
34. Dewey J. Short (R-MO): April 12th 1945-January 20th 1949

35. Scott W. Lucas (D-IL):  January 20th 1949-January 20th 1953
36. Henry C. Lodge Jr. (R-MA): January 20th 1953-January 20th 1961
37. William F. Knowland (R-CA): January 20th 1961-Febuary 23rd 1962*
38. Everett Dirksen (R-IL): February 23rd 1962-January 20th 1965

39. Matthew E. Welsh (D-IN): January 20th 1965-January 20th 1973
40. Daniel B. Brewster (D-MD): January 20th 1973-August 9th 1974**
41. Eugene J. “Gene” McCarthy (D-MN) August 9th 1974-January 20th 1977

42. Mark Hatfield (R-OR): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1981
43. Martin L. King Jr. (D-GA): January 20th 1981-April 4th 1988*
44. Gary Hart (D-CO): April 4th 1988-January 20th 1993

45. Joseph I. “Joe” Lieberman (R-CT) January 20th 1993-January 20th 2001*
46. June Carter Cash (D-VA): January 20th 2001-May 15th 2003*
47. James R. “Rick” Perry (D-TX): May 15th 2003-January 20th 2009

48. Antonio Villaraigosa (R-CA): January 20th 2009-???*

Notes.

33. Assassinated by German Espionage Agents during the height of the Pacific War.
37. Died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head, after the failed Bay of Pigs invasion into Cuba.
40. First to resign the Presidency due Bribery Charges while he was Senator and Vice President.
43. First African American President, Assassinated during the final year of his second term by a Neo-Nazi skinhead.
45. First Jewish President.
46. First Female President, Died in office due to complications following heart valve replacement surgery.
48. First Hispanic American President.
Logged
Historico
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 981
United States


« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2009, 11:36:41 PM »

Here is a quick list a whiped up based on if President Carter was Assasinated in 1979...

Jimmie’s Gone

38. Gerald Ford (R-MI): August 9th 1974-January 20th 1977
39. James E. “Jimmy” Carter (D-GA): January 20th 1977-May 5th 1979*
40. Walter Mondale (D-MN): May 5th 1979-January 20th 1989

41. George Deukmejian (R-CA): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1997*
42. Nancy L. K. Baker (R-KA): January 20th 1997-January 20th 2001*

43. Julian Bond (D-GA): January 20th 2001-January 20th 2009*
44. Eric Cantor (R-VA): January 20th 2009-???*

Notes.

39. Assassinated by Raymond Lee Harvey in Los Angeles, California.
41. First Armenian-American President.
42. First Female President.
43. First African-American President.
44. First Jewish President.
Logged
Historico
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 981
United States


« Reply #32 on: June 29, 2009, 03:18:36 PM »

Here is a new list...Based on if Teddy never makes his promise not to seek a third term, and runs/wins the 1908 election.

Teddy's Game

25. William McKinley Jr. (R-OH): March 4th 1897-September 14th 1901
26. Theodore Roosevelt (R-NY): September 14th 1901-October 12th 1912*
27. Charles W. Fairbanks (R-IN):  October 12th 1912-March 4th 1913
28. Robert M. Lafollette (R-WI): March 4th 1913-March 4th 1917

29. James B. “Champ” Clark (D-MO): March 4th 1917-March 2nd 1921*
30. Judson Harmon (D-OH): March 2nd 1921-March 4th 1925

31. Hiram Johnson (R-CA): March 4th 1925-March 4th 1933
32. Albert C. Ritchie (D-MD): March 4th 1933-Feburary 23rd 1936*
33. William G. McAdoo (D-CA): February 23rd 1936-Feburary 1st 1941*
34. James A. “Jim” Farley (D-NY): February 1st 1941-January 20th 1949

35. Harold E. Stassen (R-MN): January 20th 1949-January 20th 1957
36. Earl Warren (R-CA): January 20th 1957-January 20th 1961

37. Robert B. Meyner (D-NJ): January 20th 1961-May 27th 1962*
38. J. William Fulbright (D-AK): May 27th 1962-January 20th 1969

39. William W. Scranton (R-PA): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1977
40. Robert C. Byrd (D-WV): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1981
41. Elliot L. Richardson (R-MA): January 20th 1981-December 30th 1985*
42. Robert H. Fitch (R-CA): December 30th 1985-January 20th 1989

43. Bruce E. Babbitt (D-AZ): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1997
44. Richard G. “Dick” Lugar (R-ID): January 20th 1997-January 20th 2001
45. Caroll A. Campbell Jr. (D-SC): January 20th 2001-December 7th 2005*
46. Arlen Specter (D-PA): December 7th 2005-January 20th 2009

47. Cory A. Booker (R-NJ): January 20th 2009-???*

Notes.

25. Assassinated as in OTL
26. Assassinated by John Schrank in Milwaukee, Wisconsin on the campaign trail for Republican nominee Senator Lafollette.   
29. Died in office.
32. Died in office due to a cerebral hemorrhage.
33. Died in office due to a massive heart attack. 
37. Assassinated by Richard Pavlick while vacationing in Palm Beach, Florida.
41. Assassinated by crazed Nuclear-freeze advocates in New York City, New York.
45. Died in office due to a massive heart attack.
47. First African American President.
Logged
Historico
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 981
United States


« Reply #33 on: July 02, 2009, 10:18:40 AM »

A lot of people seem to die in your timelines Historico.

LOL, I know right...It reall just depends if I want to keep the 20 year curse going or not, or if they died of natural causes in OTL. Btw, here is my newest Presidential list based on the POD that Progressive Judge Learned Hand of New York was nominated by the Republican Party at the deadlocked convention of 1930.

The Visible Hand:

28. Woodrow Wilson (D-NJ):  March 4th 1913-March 4th 1921
29. B. Learned Hand (R-NY): March 4th 1921-March 4th 1929
30. Charles Curtis (R-KA): March 4th 1929-March 4th 1933

31. Huey P. Long (D-LA): March 4th 1933-September 10th 1935*
32. Robert F. Wagner (D-NY): September 10th 1935-January 20th 1945

33. Arthur H. Vandenberg (R-MI) January 20th 1945-April 18th 1951*
34. Phillip F. Lafollette (R-WI): April 18th 1951-January 20th 1953

35. Adlai E. Stevenson II (D-IL): January 20th 1953-January 20th 1961
36. Christian A. Herter (R-MA): January 20th 1961-January 20th 1965
37. Thruston B. Morton (R-KY): January 20th 1965-January 20th 1969

38. Russell B. Long (D-LA): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1977
39. Edward W. Brooke III (R-MA): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1981*
40. Edmund G. “Jerry” Brown Jr. (D-CA): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
41. Fred Harris (D-OK): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993

42. John M. “Mike” Hayden (R-KA): January 20th 1993-January 20th 2001
43. Henry G. Cisneros (D-TX): January 20th 2001-January 19th 2007**
44. William W. “Bill” Bradley (D-NJ): January 19th 2007-January 20th 2009

45. Lincoln D. Chafee (R-RI): January 20th 2009-???

Notes.

31. Assassinated by Carl Austin Weiss in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
33. Died in office due to complications of Cancer
39. First African American President.
43. First Hispanic American President, and first to resign due to obstruction of justice.
Logged
Historico
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 981
United States


« Reply #34 on: July 03, 2009, 11:13:33 AM »

A lot of people seem to die in your timelines Historico.

LOL, I know right...It reall just depends if I want to keep the 20 year curse going or not, or if they died of natural causes in OTL. Btw, here is my newest Presidential list based on the POD that Progressive Judge Learned Hand of New York was nominated by the Republican Party at the deadlocked convention of 1930.

The Visible Hand:

28. Woodrow Wilson (D-NJ):  March 4th 1913-March 4th 1921
29. B. Learned Hand (R-NY): March 4th 1921-March 4th 1929
30. Charles Curtis (R-KA): March 4th 1929-March 4th 1933

31. Huey P. Long (D-LA): March 4th 1933-September 10th 1935*
32. Robert F. Wagner (D-NY): September 10th 1935-January 20th 1945

33. Arthur H. Vandenberg (R-MI) January 20th 1945-April 18th 1951*
34. Phillip F. Lafollette (R-WI): April 18th 1951-January 20th 1953

35. Adlai E. Stevenson II (D-IL): January 20th 1953-January 20th 1961
36. Christian A. Herter (R-MA): January 20th 1961-January 20th 1965
37. Thruston B. Morton (R-KY): January 20th 1965-January 20th 1969

38. Russell B. Long (D-LA): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1977
39. Edward W. Brooke III (R-MA): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1981*
40. Edmund G. “Jerry” Brown Jr. (D-CA): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
41. Fred Harris (D-OK): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993

42. John M. “Mike” Hayden (R-KA): January 20th 1993-January 20th 2001
43. Henry G. Cisneros (D-TX): January 20th 2001-January 19th 2007**
44. William W. “Bill” Bradley (D-NJ): January 19th 2007-January 20th 2009

45. Lincoln D. Chafee (R-RI): January 20th 2009-???

Notes.

31. Assassinated by Carl Austin Weiss in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
33. Died in office due to complications of Cancer
39. First African American President.
43. First Hispanic American President, and first to resign due to obstruction of justice.


Formidable list. I love alternate realities where conservatives don't pollute american politics... Smiley

Who was Chafee's opponent?

Chafee defeated the incumbent President Bradley in the 2008 Election...Here's a new list everyone that ive had in my head for a while now...based on the POD that President Wilson died of his stroke in 1919.

Wilson Dies

28. Woodrow Wilson (D-NJ): March 4th 1913-October 2nd 1919*
29. Thomas R. Marshall (D-IN): October 2nd 1919-March 4th 1921

30. William Cameron Sproul (R-PA): March 4th 1921-March 21st 1928*
31. Calvin Coolidge (R-MA): March 21st 1928-March 4th 1929
32. Nicholas M. Butler (R-NY): March 4th 1929-March 4th 1933

33. John W. Davis (D-WV): March 4th1933-January 20th 1941
34. Harry L. Hopkins (D-NY): January 20th 1941-January 29th 1946*
35. James F. Byrnes (D-SC): January 29th 1946-January 20th 1949

36. Leverett A. Saltonstall (R-MA): January 20th 1949-January 20th 1957
37. Goodwin J. “Goodie” Knight (R-CA): January 20th 1957-January 20th 1961

38. J. Howard McGrath (D-RI): January 20th 1961-September 2nd 1966*
39. George Wallace (D-AL): September 2nd 1966-January 20th 1969

40.  John Wayne (R-CA): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1977
41. Robert Sargent Shriver Jr. (D-MD): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1981
42. Barry Goldwater (R-AZ): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
43. Ronald V. “Ron” Dellums (D-CA): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1997*
44. Phil Gramm (R-TX): January 20th 1997-January 20th 2001
45. Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH): January 20th 2001-January 20th 2009*
46. Albert A. “Al” Gore Jr. (D-TN): January 20th 2009-???


Notes.

28. Died in office of a massive stroke.
30. Died in office.
34. Died in office due to complications of stomach cancer.
38. Died in office due to a cerebral hemorrhage
43. First African American President
45. First Female President
Logged
Historico
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 981
United States


« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2009, 01:49:16 PM »

Here is a new list

****

The Virtue of Moderation


37. Richard M. Nixon (R-NY): January 20th 1969-August 9th 1974**
38. Robert H. Finch (R-CA): August 9th 1974-January 20th 1981

39. Reubin O’D. Askew (D-FL): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
40. Pierre S. “Pete” Du Pont IV (R-DE): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993
41. Paul E. Tsongas (D-MA): January 20th 1993-January 18th 1997*
42. Zell B. Miller (D-GA): January 18th 1997-January 20th 2001

43. George E. Pataki (R-NY): January 20th 2001-January 20th 2009
44. Clinton B. LeSueur (D-MS): January 20th 2009-???

Notes.


37. Tricky Dick is able to convince friend, former campaign manager and California Lieutenant Governor Robert H. Finch to run with him as his running mate during the 1968 Election. Nixon’s Presidency goes essentially the same as IOTL, and resigns due to the Watergate scandal. The Sitting Vice President Robert H. Finch becomes the nation’s 38th President.

38. The Moderate President focuses much more on the domestic issues hurting the nations and is able to get Comprehensive Universal Health Insurance passed. Despite taking major flack for pardoning President Nixon, Finch is able to win an incredibly narrow victory over Scoop Jackson in the ’76 Election. However worsening economic conditions, slow reaction to the Iranian crisis and a mandate for change led to the defeat of Vice President Bob Dole to the Southern Moderate to Conservative Democrat in the 1980 Election.

39. Askew came into office in an atmosphere of change and against Washington Insiders. He would be a champion of Civil Rights and Capital Punishment but anti-nuclear freeze, anti-ERA and anti-Gay Rights. Relations with the Soviet Union would remain particularly frosty but economic prosperity would ensure him a comfortable victory over Senator Howard Baker of Tennessee. The Heightened sense of possible Nuclear War dominated his second term, which intern allowed Vice President Bayh to be defeated by Pete DuPont in 1988 election

40. Running on a platform for Economic Renewal, Pete du Pont’ despite his aristocratic lineage was supported by many working class voters for his lowered tax rates and passage of a balanced budget amendment. Yet it would be a failed attempt to reform the Social Security system and the bloody US Occupation of Iraq which doomed his reelection chances to Massachusetts Senator Paul Tsongas.

41. One of the last vestiges of the socially liberal yet economically conservative Northeastern wing of the Democratic Party, Tsongas was thrust into the White House largely due to a strong third party candidacy of Ross Perot. His economic policies were fairly popular as well as his successful withdraw from the Iraq conflict gave Tsongas high approval ratings. Yet it would be his health which would deter him from seeking reelection, allowing Vice President Miller to defeat former Vice President Laxalt in the ’96 Election. He would die two days before Miller’s inauguration on January 18th, of pneumonia and liver failure while in office.

42. President Miller would maintain Tsongas’ popular economic policies but socially reign as a social conservative Askew Democrat. He would make renewing America’s failed public school system his major championing issue. However he would loose in the most disputed election in history, where a three way election between Reform Party nominee Angus King of Maine, and Republican nominee Governor George Pataki of New York was thrown to the House of the Representatives. Pataki was able to extract concessions from King and win in the House, thus ensuring him the Presidency.

43. Although not the true popular vote choice for President, Pataki came into office wanting to cement his legacy as leader of the progressive wing of the Republican Party. Administrating as an Environmentalist who continued Miller’s education reforms but it would be a strong response to the terrorist attacks on March 20th 2003 which ensure him a landslide victory over former Vice President Tom Harkin in the 2004 election. Pataki would leave office and highly successful President, but Vice President John McCain could not overcome the mantra of change echoed by Mississippi Governor Clinton LeSueur.

44. Clinton P. LeSuer is the nation’s 1st African American and youngest President to be sworn into office as an Askew Democrat which is known term as socially conservative, economic Keynesian.
Logged
Historico
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 981
United States


« Reply #36 on: July 12, 2009, 10:41:43 AM »

Here is a new list based on if there had been a deadlock at the 1952 Republican National Convention, coming after Ike declines the nod...Joe McCathy is nominated in his stead.

Tail-Gunner in the White House

33. Harry S. Truman (D-MO): April 12th 1945-January 20th 1953
34. Joseph R. “Joe” McCarthy (R-WI): January 20th 1953-May 2nd 1957*
35. Alfred E. Driscoll (R-NJ): May 2nd 1957-January 20th 1965

36. Edmund G. “Pat” Brown (D-CA): January 20th 1965-January 20th 1969
37. Cecil H. Underwood (R-WV): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1977
38. Dale Bumpers (D-AK): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1985
39. James R. “Big Jim” Thompson (R-IL): January 20th 1985-January 20th 1993
40. Robert P. Casey (D-PA): January 20th 1993-March 30th 2000*
41. Patricia “Pat” Schroeder (D-CO): March 30th 2000-January 20th 2005*

42. Malcolm S. “Steve” Forbes Jr. (R-NY): January 20th 2005-???

Notes.

34. Died in Office due to acute hepatitis/cirrhosis of the liver.
40. Died in Office due to complications of Appalachian familiar amyloidosis.
41. First Female President.
Logged
Historico
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 981
United States


« Reply #37 on: July 16, 2009, 11:29:41 PM »

It started with a Little Flower…

32. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY): March 4th 1933-January 20th 1941
33. Fiorella H. La Guardia (R-NY): January 20th 1941-September 20th 1947*
34. Robert M. Lafollete Jr. (R-WI): September 20th 1947-January 20th 1949

35. Scott W. Lucas (D-IL): January 20th 1949-January 20th 1953
36. Douglas McKay (R-OR): January 20th 1953-July 22nd 1959*
37. Leverett A. Saltonstall (R-MA): July 22nd 1959-January 20th 1965

38. Stewart L. Udall (D-AZ): January 20th 1965-January 20th 1973
39. Jacob K. “Jack” Javits (R-NY): January 20th 1973-January 20th 1977
40. Fred R. Harris (D-OK): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1981
41. Robert H. Bork (R-PA): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
42. Richard B. “Dick” Cheney (R-WY): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993

43. David N. Dinkins (D-NY): January 20th 1993-Janurary 20th 2001*
44. James E. Folsom Jr. (D-AL): January 20th 2001-January 20th 2005

45.  John D. Ashcroft (R-MO): January 20th 2005-January 20th 2009
46. Thomas S. “Tom” Udall (D-NM): January 20th 2009-???

Notes.

33. Died in office due to complications of Pancreatic Cancer
36. Died in office due to aggravated Heart Disease
43. First African American President.
Logged
Historico
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 981
United States


« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2009, 04:33:15 PM »
« Edited: July 23, 2009, 04:36:51 PM by Historico »

Hey...Here's a list on possible CSA President's based on my friend's Robert's Black and Gray timeline featured here http://www.geocities.com/robertp6165/blackconfederatecontents.html .Ill probably do a continued list for the USA, TX, and Desert at a later date.

The Black and The Gray TL: CSA Presidents

1. Jefferson F. Davis (D/I-MS): February 18th 1861-Feburary 22nd 1868
2. Robert E. Lee (L-VA): February 22nd 1868-October 10th 1870*
3. Patrick R. Cleburne (L-TN): October 10th 1870-Feburary 22nd 1874
4. James Longstreet (L-GA): February 22nd 1874-Febuary 22nd 1880
5. Wade Hampton III (L-SC): February 22nd 1880-September 22nd 1881*
6. Fitzhugh Lee (L-VA): September 22nd 1881-February 22nd 1892
7. Joseph Wheeler (L-AL): February 22nd 1892-Feburary 22nd 1898

8. Raphael Semmes JR. (SS-MD): February 22nd 1898-Feburary 22nd 1904
9. J.E.B. Stuart, Jr. (SS-VA): February 22nd 1904-February 22nd 1910
10. Simon Bolivar Buckner Jr. (SS-KY): February 22nd 1910-Feburary 22nd 1916

11. Woodrow Wilson (L-VA): February 22nd 1916-Februrary 22nd 1922
12. Eugene Talmadge (SS-GA): February 22nd 1922-February 22nd 1928
13. Albert C. Ritchie (L-MD): February 22nd 1928-February 22nd 1934
14. Thomas W. Hardwick (L-GA): February 22nd 1934- February 22nd 1940

15. Harvey Parnell (SS-AK): February 22nd 1940-Febuary 22nd 1946
16. Richard B. Russell Jr. (L-GA): February 22nd 1946-February 22nd 1952
17. John J. Sparkman (SS-AL): February 22nd 1952-February 22nd 1958
18. Estes Kefauver (L-TN): February 22nd 1958-August 10th 1963*
19. George C. Wallace Jr. (L-AL): August 10th 1963-Feburary 1972

20. George A. Smathers (SS-FL): February 22nd 1972-February 22nd 1980
21. James E. “Jimmy” Carter (L-GA): February 22nd 1980-Febuary 22nd 1986
22. Edwin W. Edwards (L-LA): February 22nd 1986-March 10th 1990**
23. Harvey B. Gantt (L-NC): March 10th 1990-Febuary 22nd 1998***

24. Marion G. “Pat” Robertson (SS-VA): February 22nd 1988-Feburary 22nd 2006
25. Katherine Harris (SS-FL): February 22nd 2006-???***


Notes.

2. Died in office due to complications of pneumonia.
5. Assassinated by a Cuban Revolutionary via explosive.
18. Died in office due to a massive heart attack.
22. Resigned the office of POTCS, due to corruption charges.
23. First African American President
25. First Female President
Logged
Historico
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 981
United States


« Reply #39 on: July 25, 2009, 11:13:45 PM »

Here is a new list a whipped up based on if Wallace won the Presidency under the Progressive Party. This inturn leads to a domino were both parties end up splitting resulting in a New Two Party System...The Progressives and Conservatives...

By Any other name

33. Harry S. Truman (D-MO): April 12th 1945-January 20th 1949
34. Henry A. Wallace (P-IA): January 20th 1949-January 20th 1953
35. Robert A. Taft (R-OH): January 20th-July 31st 1953*
36. Harold Stasssen (R-MN): July 31st 1953-January 20th 1961

37. Hubert H. Humphrey (P-MN): January 20th 1961-January 20th 1969
38. J. William Fullbright (C-AK): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1977
39. Birch E. Bayh III (P-IN): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1981
40. Phillip M. “Phil” Crane (C-IL): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
41. John B. Connally Jr. (C-TX): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993

42. Thomas R. “Tom” Harkin (P-IA): January 20th 1993-January 20th 2001
43. Lamar Alexander (C-TN): January 20th 2001-January 20th 2009
44. Eric H. Holder Jr. (P-NY): January 20th 2009-???*

Notes.

35. Died in office via cerebral hemorrhage largely due to complications of cancer.
44. First African American President
Logged
Historico
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 981
United States


« Reply #40 on: July 27, 2009, 10:03:29 PM »

Here a short list in memory of the late Walter Cronkite...

And that's the way it is...

37. Richard M. Nixon (R-CA): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1973
38. Walter L. Cronkite Jr. (D-NY):  January 20th 1973-January 20th 1981
39. Charles H. “Chuck” Percy (R-IL): January 20th 1981-March 30th 1983*
40. William E. “Bill” Brock (R-TN): March 40th 1983-January 20th 1989

41. Gary Hart (D-CO): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993
42. John Chafee (R-RI): January 20th 1993-January 20th 1997
43. Zell Miller (D-GA): January 20th 1997-July 15th 2002*
44. Carol E. Mosley Braun (D-IL): July 15th 2002-January 20th 2005***

45. Lincoln Chafee (R-RI): January 20th 2005-???*

Notes.

39. Assassinated by John Hinckley Jr.
43. Assassinated by Islamic fundamentalists.
44. First African American and First Female President
Logged
Historico
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 981
United States


« Reply #41 on: July 29, 2009, 06:11:56 PM »

Ok here is my new list for a possible "The Republic of Texas" Survives to the Present Day TL after im done with my Ronnie in '68 TL. I must admit I was reaching toward the end, cuz I belive butterflies would have radically different political figures who wern't even born IOTL be President.

The Eyes of Texas are upon You…

1. Samuel “Sam” Houston (I-Huntsville): October 22nd 1836-December 10th 1838
2. Mirabeau B. Lamar: (I-Laredo): December 10th 1838- December 13th 1841
3. Samuel “Sam” Houston: (I-Huntsville): December 13th 1841-December 9th 1844

4. Barnard E. Bee Sr.(N-Houston): December 9th 1844-December 9th 1847
5. Mirabeau B. Lamar (N-Laredo) December 9th 1847-December 9th 1850
6. Abner S. Lipscomb (N-Brenham): December 9th 1850-December 9th 1853

7. Thomas J. Rusk (H-Nacogdoches): December 9th 1853-December 9th 1856
8. Hardin R. Richards (N-Bowie County): December 9th 1856-December 9th 1859
9. Elisha M. Pease (H-Lampsas): December 9th 1859-December 9th 1862
10. Louis T. Wigfall (N-Galveston: December 9th 1862-December 9th 1865
11. Elisha M. Pease (H-Lampsas): December 9th 1865-December 9th 1868
12. Andrew J. Hamilton (H-Austin): December 9th 1868-December 9th 1871
13. Edmund J. Davis (H-Austin): December 9th 1871-December 9th 1874

14. Hamilton P. Bee (N-San Antonio): December 9th 1874-December 9th 1877
15. Richard Coke (N-Waco): December 9th 1877-December 9th 1880
16. Richard B. Hubbard Jr. (N-Tyler): December 9th 1880-December 9th 1883
17. Richard Coke (N-Waco): December 9th 1883-December 9th 1886
18. Lawrence S. “Sul” Ross (N-Brazos.): December 9th 1886-December 9th 1889
19. John Ireland (N-Seguin): December 9th 1889-December 9th 1891
20. Lawrence S. “Sul” Ross (N-Brazos): December 9th 1891-December 9th 1894

21. James S. “Big Jim” Hogg (P-Houston): December 9th 1894-December 9th 1897
22. Charles A. Culberson (P-Dallas): December 9th 1897-December 9th 1900

23. Joseph D. Sayers (N-Austin): December 9th 1900-December 9th 1903
24. James S. “Big Jim” Hogg (P-Houston): December 9th 1903-March 3 1906*
25. Roger Q. Mills (P-Corsicana): March 3rd-December 9th 1906
26. Thomas M. Campbell (P-Longview): December 9th 1906-December 9th 1909
27. Andrew J. Houston (P-Independence): December 9th 1909-December 9th 1912

28. Oscar B. Colquitt (N-Daingerfield): December 9th 1912-December 9th 1915
29. John Morris Shepard (N-Texarkana): December 9th 1915-December 9th 1918
30. William P. Hobby (N-Houston): December 9th 1918-December 9th 1921

31. James E. “Pa” Ferguson (P-Salado): December 9th 1921-December 9th 1924
32. Miriam A. “Ma” Ferguson (P-Salado): December 9th 1924-December 9th 1927**
33. James E. “Pa” Ferguson (P-Salado): December 9th 1927-December 9th 1930
34. John N. Garner (P-Uvalde): December 9th 1930-December 9th 1933

35. Sam Rayburn (N-Bonham): December 9th 1933-December 9th 1936
36. James V. Alfred (N-Corpus Christi): December 9th 1936-December 9th 1939
37. Sam Rayburn (N-Bonham): December 9th 1939-December 9th 1941
38. Thomas T. “Tom” Connally (N-Waco): December 9th 1941-December 9th 1944
39. James V. Alfred (N-Corpus Christi): December 9th 1944-December 9th 1947
40. Thomas T. “Tom” Connally (N-Waco): December 9th 1947-December 9th 1950

41. Wilbert L. “Pappy” O’Daniel (P-Dallas): December 9th 1950-December 9th 1953
42. Coke R. Stevenson (P-San Angelo): December 9th 1953-December 9th 1956
43. Allen Shivers (P-Austin): December 9th 1956-December 9th 1959
44. Marion P. Daniel Sr.(P-Liberty): December 9th 1959-December 9th 1962

45. Lyndon B. Johnson (N-Stonewall): December 9th 1962-December 9th 1965
46. Ralph W. Yarborugh (N-Austin): December 9th 1965-December 9th 1968

47. John Tower (P-Houston): December 9th 1968-December 9th 1971
48. John Connally (P-Houston): December 9th 1971-December 9th 1974

49. Lloyd M. Bentsen (N-Houston): December 9th 1974-December 9th 1977
50. Dolph Briscoe (P-Uvalde): December 9th 1977-December 9th 1980
51. Lloyd M. Bentsen: (N-Houston): December 9th 1980-December 9th 1983
52. George T. Leland: (N-Houston): December 9th 1983-December 9th 1986**
53. Eligio de la Garza (N-Mercedes): December 9th 1986-December 9th 1989**
54. Ann Richards (N-Austin): December 9th 1989-December 9th 1992**

55. Robert D. “Bob” Bullock (P-Austin): December 9th 1992-December 9th 1995
56. Ross Perot (I-Texarkana): December 9th 1995-December 9th 1998
57. James R. “Rick” Perry (P-Austin): December 9th 1998-December 9th 2001
58. Ron E. Paul (P-Lake Jackson): December 9th 2001-December 9th 2004
59. James R. “Rick” Perry (P-Austin): December 9th 2004-December 9th 2007

60. Richard S. “Kinky” Friedman (N-Medina) December 9th 2007-???**

Notes.

24. Died in office due to a Railroad accident.
32. First Female President
52. First African-Texan President
53. First Tejano President
54. Second Female President
60. First Jewish-Texan President.

N: Stands for the Nationalist Party, established in 1843 by Lamar, representing the anti-annexation, pro-slavery and pro-expansion political wing. Essentially the same as OTL Democrats, until the Great Depression and Dust Bowl which enabled them to become the big government and was able to pull away significant minority votes. The Nationalists in 2009 are a left to center party where the strong holds are border towns and the big urban areas.

H: Stood for the Houstonian Party, After Henry Clay’s victory in 1844(POD), The Pro Annexation wing that supported the nation’s 1st President eventually coalesced into the namesake party. Essentially the same as OTL 19th Century, the Houstonians wanted friendly relations with Native Americans, Abolitionists and generally Ameriphile. They also kept Texas neutral during the War of Secession, but were unable to win an election against Coke’s new Nationalist Party.

P: Populist Party, after the dissolution of the Houstonian Party in the 1890’s, many of the Pro-Farm faction of the party were caught up in the growing Populist movement in the US. The Party from the 1890’s to arguably the 1960’s, the party was a fiscally conservative, Pro-Farm, Pro Civil Rights for blacks that capitalized on the Progressive era of the early 1900’s. After the New Age policies of the Nation lists under Rayburn, the Populists shifted to the Center to Right Party it is today

Two Term POTROT’s: Sam Houston, Mireabeau Lamar, Elisha M. Pease, Richard Coke, Sul Ross, Big Jim Hogg, Pa Ferguson, Sam Rayburn, John V. Alfred, Tom Connally, and Rick Perry.
Logged
Historico
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 981
United States


« Reply #42 on: July 30, 2009, 05:03:07 PM »

Ok here is my new list for a possible "The Republic of Texas" Survives to the Present Day TL after im done with my Ronnie in '68 TL. I must admit I was reaching toward the end, cuz I belive butterflies would have radically different political figures who wern't even born IOTL be President.

The Eyes of Texas are upon You…

1. Samuel “Sam” Houston (I-Huntsville): October 22nd 1836-December 10th 1838
2. Mirabeau B. Lamar: (I-Laredo): December 10th 1838- December 13th 1841
3. Samuel “Sam” Houston: (I-Huntsville): December 13th 1841-December 9th 1844

4. Barnard E. Bee Sr.(N-Houston): December 9th 1844-December 9th 1847
5. Mirabeau B. Lamar (N-Laredo) December 9th 1847-December 9th 1850
6. Abner S. Lipscomb (N-Brenham): December 9th 1850-December 9th 1853

7. Thomas J. Rusk (H-Nacogdoches): December 9th 1853-December 9th 1856
8. Hardin R. Richards (N-Bowie County): December 9th 1856-December 9th 1859
9. Elisha M. Pease (H-Lampsas): December 9th 1859-December 9th 1862
10. Louis T. Wigfall (N-Galveston: December 9th 1862-December 9th 1865
11. Elisha M. Pease (H-Lampsas): December 9th 1865-December 9th 1868
12. Andrew J. Hamilton (H-Austin): December 9th 1868-December 9th 1871
13. Edmund J. Davis (H-Austin): December 9th 1871-December 9th 1874

14. Hamilton P. Bee (N-San Antonio): December 9th 1874-December 9th 1877
15. Richard Coke (N-Waco): December 9th 1877-December 9th 1880
16. Richard B. Hubbard Jr. (N-Tyler): December 9th 1880-December 9th 1883
17. Richard Coke (N-Waco): December 9th 1883-December 9th 1886
18. Lawrence S. “Sul” Ross (N-Brazos.): December 9th 1886-December 9th 1889
19. John Ireland (N-Seguin): December 9th 1889-December 9th 1891
20. Lawrence S. “Sul” Ross (N-Brazos): December 9th 1891-December 9th 1894

21. James S. “Big Jim” Hogg (P-Houston): December 9th 1894-December 9th 1897
22. Charles A. Culberson (P-Dallas): December 9th 1897-December 9th 1900

23. Joseph D. Sayers (N-Austin): December 9th 1900-December 9th 1903
24. James S. “Big Jim” Hogg (P-Houston): December 9th 1903-March 3 1906*
25. Roger Q. Mills (P-Corsicana): March 3rd-December 9th 1906
26. Thomas M. Campbell (P-Longview): December 9th 1906-December 9th 1909
27. Andrew J. Houston (P-Independence): December 9th 1909-December 9th 1912

28. Oscar B. Colquitt (N-Daingerfield): December 9th 1912-December 9th 1915
29. John Morris Shepard (N-Texarkana): December 9th 1915-December 9th 1918
30. William P. Hobby (N-Houston): December 9th 1918-December 9th 1921

31. James E. “Pa” Ferguson (P-Salado): December 9th 1921-December 9th 1924
32. Miriam A. “Ma” Ferguson (P-Salado): December 9th 1924-December 9th 1927**
33. James E. “Pa” Ferguson (P-Salado): December 9th 1927-December 9th 1930
34. John N. Garner (P-Uvalde): December 9th 1930-December 9th 1933

35. Sam Rayburn (N-Bonham): December 9th 1933-December 9th 1936
36. James V. Alfred (N-Corpus Christi): December 9th 1936-December 9th 1939
37. Sam Rayburn (N-Bonham): December 9th 1939-December 9th 1941
38. Thomas T. “Tom” Connally (N-Waco): December 9th 1941-December 9th 1944
39. James V. Alfred (N-Corpus Christi): December 9th 1944-December 9th 1947
40. Thomas T. “Tom” Connally (N-Waco): December 9th 1947-December 9th 1950

41. Wilbert L. “Pappy” O’Daniel (P-Dallas): December 9th 1950-December 9th 1953
42. Coke R. Stevenson (P-San Angelo): December 9th 1953-December 9th 1956
43. Allen Shivers (P-Austin): December 9th 1956-December 9th 1959
44. Marion P. Daniel Sr.(P-Liberty): December 9th 1959-December 9th 1962

45. Lyndon B. Johnson (N-Stonewall): December 9th 1962-December 9th 1965
46. Ralph W. Yarborugh (N-Austin): December 9th 1965-December 9th 1968

47. John Tower (P-Houston): December 9th 1968-December 9th 1971
48. John Connally (P-Houston): December 9th 1971-December 9th 1974

49. Lloyd M. Bentsen (N-Houston): December 9th 1974-December 9th 1977
50. Dolph Briscoe (P-Uvalde): December 9th 1977-December 9th 1980
51. Lloyd M. Bentsen: (N-Houston): December 9th 1980-December 9th 1983
52. George T. Leland: (N-Houston): December 9th 1983-December 9th 1986**
53. Eligio de la Garza (N-Mercedes): December 9th 1986-December 9th 1989**
54. Ann Richards (N-Austin): December 9th 1989-December 9th 1992**

55. Robert D. “Bob” Bullock (P-Austin): December 9th 1992-December 9th 1995
56. Ross Perot (I-Texarkana): December 9th 1995-December 9th 1998
57. James R. “Rick” Perry (P-Austin): December 9th 1998-December 9th 2001
58. Ron E. Paul (P-Lake Jackson): December 9th 2001-December 9th 2004
59. James R. “Rick” Perry (P-Austin): December 9th 2004-December 9th 2007

60. Richard S. “Kinky” Friedman (N-Medina) December 9th 2007-???**

Notes.

24. Died in office due to a Railroad accident.
32. First Female President
52. First African-Texan President
53. First Tejano President
54. Second Female President
60. First Jewish-Texan President.

N: Stands for the Nationalist Party, established in 1843 by Lamar, representing the anti-annexation, pro-slavery and pro-expansion political wing. Essentially the same as OTL Democrats, until the Great Depression and Dust Bowl which enabled them to become the big government and was able to pull away significant minority votes. The Nationalists in 2009 are a left to center party where the strong holds are border towns and the big urban areas.

H: Stood for the Houstonian Party, After Henry Clay’s victory in 1844(POD), The Pro Annexation wing that supported the nation’s 1st President eventually coalesced into the namesake party. Essentially the same as OTL 19th Century, the Houstonians wanted friendly relations with Native Americans, Abolitionists and generally Ameriphile. They also kept Texas neutral during the War of Secession, but were unable to win an election against Coke’s new Nationalist Party.

P: Populist Party, after the dissolution of the Houstonian Party in the 1890’s, many of the Pro-Farm faction of the party were caught up in the growing Populist movement in the US. The Party from the 1890’s to arguably the 1960’s, the party was a fiscally conservative, Pro-Farm, Pro Civil Rights for blacks that capitalized on the Progressive era of the early 1900’s. After the New Age policies of the Nation lists under Rayburn, the Populists shifted to the Center to Right Party it is today

Two Term POTROT’s: Sam Houston, Mireabeau Lamar, Elisha M. Pease, Richard Coke, Sul Ross, Big Jim Hogg, Pa Ferguson, Sam Rayburn, John V. Alfred, Tom Connally, and Rick Perry.

You should come up with a list of US Presidents. It JFK is still elected President ITTL, looks like he will not make a trip to Dallas on November 22, 1963.


I may do one after I get done with my next installment on the '92 Elections for my Ronnie in '68 tl. Im trying not to let my ADD get the best of me an actually finish this timeline before I start working on an Ambitious one like my ROT timeline. Im thinking the format will be alot diffent kinda along the lines of Jared's Decades of Darkness of timeline but not a long lol.
Logged
Historico
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 981
United States


« Reply #43 on: August 06, 2009, 06:19:07 PM »

Ok here are two lists based on my pal Robert's What Hath a Warm Overcoat Wrought TL, located here... http://www.geocities.com/robertp6165/northernsecessioncontents.html

First up The Presidents of the United States of America...

9. William H. Harrison (W-OH): March 4th 1841-March 4th 1843**
10. John Tyler (D-VA): March 4th 1843-March 4th 1845
11. James N. Polk (D-TN): March 4th 1845-June 15th 1849*
12. Thomas H. Benton (D-MO): June 15th 1849-March 4th 1853
13. Jefferson F. Davis (D-MS): March 4th 1853-March 4th 1861

14. Robert Toombs (W-GA): March 4th 1861-March 4th 1865
15. Robert M.T. Hunter (D-VA): March 4th 1865-March 4th 1873
16. Henry W. Allen (W-LA): March 4th 1873-March 4th 1881
17. James B. Groome (D-MD): March 4th 1881-March 4th 1889
18. John H. Reagan (W-TX): March 4th 1889-March 4th 1897
19. William O. Bradley (W-KY): March 4th 1897-March 4th 1901

20. Thomas E. Watson (D-GA):  March 4th 1901-March 4th 1909
21. James K. Vardaman (D-MS): March 4th 1909-March 4th 1913

22. John M. Parker (W-LA): March 4th 1913-March 4th 1921
23. Sidney J. Catts (D-FL): March 4th 1921-March 4th 1929
24. Walter F. George (D-GA): March 4th 1929-March 4th 1932

25. Huey P. Long Jr. (W-LA): March 4th 1932- September 10th 1935*
26. James A. Reed (W-MO): September 10th 1935-January 20th 1941
27. Cordell Hull (W-TN): January 20th 1941-January 20th 1949

28. J. Strom Thurmond (D-SC): January 20th 1949-January 20th 1961**
29. Lyndon B. Johnson (W-TX): January 20th 1961-January 22nd 1963*
30. Cecil H. Underwood (W-VA): January 22nd 1963-January 20th 1969

31. William Westmoreland (D-SC): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1973
32. George C. Wallace Jr. (W-AL): January 20th 1973-January 20th 1981
33. William F. Graham Jr. (D-NC): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
34. Patrick J. Buchanan (D-VA): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993

35. L. Douglas Wilder (W-VA): January 20th 1993-January 20th 2001***
36. Gary L. Bauer (D-KY): January 20th 2001-January 20th 2009
37. José Guadalupe O. Milan (W-BC): January 20th 2009-???***

Notes

9. First President to be removed from office via impeachment.
11. Died in office due to possible complications of cholera.
25. Assassinated by Dr. Carl Austin Weiss in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
28. First President to break the Two-Term Washington Tradition.
29. Died in office due to a massive heart attack.
35. First African American President.
37. First Hispanic American President(From TTL’s state of Baja California).
Logged
Historico
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 981
United States


« Reply #44 on: August 06, 2009, 06:26:33 PM »

Now here is The Presidents of the Federated States of America...

1. Daniel Webster (W-MA): March 18th 1844-March 4th 1849
2. Lewis Cass (D-MI): March 4th 1849-March 4th 1857
3. Abraham Lincoln (W-IL): March 4th 1857-March 4th 1861
4. Levi Boone (AR/R-IL): March 4th 1861-March 4th 1869
5. William M. Tweed (D-NY): March 4th 1869-March 4th 1877
6. J. Neeley Johnson (R-IN): March 4th 1877-June 31st 1880*
7. John Sherman (R-OH): June 31st 1880-March 4th 1881
8. Thomas Cobb (D-IN): March 4th 1881-March 4th 1885
9. Schuyler Colfax Jr. (R-IN): March 4th 1885-January 13th 1893*
10. Robert T. Lincoln (R-IL): January 13th 1893-March 4th 1897

11. Adlai E. Stevenson (D-IL): March 4th 1897-March 4th 1901
12. Theodore Roosevelt (D-NY): March 4th 1901-March 4th 1909

13. Albert L. Lowell (R-MA): March 4th 1909-March 4th 1913
14. William R. Hearst (D-CA): March 4th 1913-March 4th 1921
15. Albert Johnson (R-WA): March 4th 1921-March 4th 1929
16. David A. Reed (R-PA): March 4th 1929-March 4th 1932

17. Emanuel Celler (D-NY): March 4th 1932-March 4th 1941***
18. Paul V. McNutt (D-IN): March 4th 1941-March 4th 1949

19. Robert A. Taft (R-OH): March 4th 1949-July 31st 1953*
20. Francis E. Walter (R-PA): July 31st 1953-March 4th 1961

21. Jacob K. Javits (D-NY): March 4th 1961-March 4th 1969***
22. Robert Taft Jr. (R-OH): March 4th 1969-March 4th 1973
23. William R. Tolbert Jr. (D-LA): March 4th 1973-March 4th 1980***
24. Alan M. Cranston (D-CA): March 4th 1981-March 4th 1985

25. Phillip Crane (R-IL): March 4th 1985-March 4th 1993
26. Pierre S. “Pete” Du Pont IV (D-DE): March 4th 1993-March 4th 1997
27. Richard G. “Dick” Lugar (R-IN): March 4th 1997-March 4th 2005
28. Malcolm S. “Steve” Forbes (R-NY): March 4th 2005-March 4th 2009

29. Hillary Rodham-Davis (D-IL): March 4th 2009-???***

Notes.

6. Died in Office
9. Died in office due to heart failure.
17.  First Catholic President
21. First Jewish President
23. First Black President (From the State of Liberia)
29. First Female President.
Logged
Historico
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 981
United States


« Reply #45 on: August 07, 2009, 03:51:04 PM »

Yeah, I would think they would stick to Popular Vote elections, with seperate Congressional County based election's. Btw...Here's my list for the POTUS in the Eye's of Texas are upon you timeline.

Eyes of Texas…USA Presidential List

10. John Tyler (W/I-VA): April 4th 1841-March 4th 1845
11. Henry Clay (W-KY): March 4th 1845-June 29th 1852*
12. Theodore Frelinghuysen (W-NJ): June 29th 1852-March 4th 1853

13. Lewis Cass (D-MI): March 4th 1853-March 4th 1857
14. Millard Fillmore (A-NY): March 4th 1857-March 4th 1861
15. Stephen A. Douglas (D-IL): March 4th 1861-June 3rd 1863*
16. Herschel V. Johnson (D-GA): June 3rd 1863-March 4th 1865
17. Joel Parker (D-NJ): March 4th 1865-March 4th 1869

18. Anthony Kennedy (A-MD): March 4th 1869-March 4th 1876
19. Winfield S. Hancock (D-PA): March 4th 1876-March 4th 1881
20. Nathaniel P. Banks (A-MA): March 4th 1881-September 1st 1884*
21. Alfred M. Waddell (A-NC): September 1st 1884-March 4th 1893

22. James B. Weaver (P-IA): March 4th 1893-March 4th 1901
23. Thomas B. Reed (A-ME): March 4th 1901-December 7th 1902*
24. Henry Waterson (A-KY): December 7th 1902-March 4th 1909
25. Theodore Roosevelt (A-NY): March 5th 1909-March 4th 1917

26. William J. Bryan (P-NE): March 4th 1917-July 26th 1925*
27. Burton K. Wheeler (P-MA): July 26th 1925-March 4th 1933

28. John W. Davis (A-WV): March 4th 1933-March 4th 1941
29. Charles L. McNary (A-OR): March 4th 1941-Febuary 25th 1944*
30. Herbert H. Lehman (A-NY): February 25th 1944-March 4th 1953

31. Millard E. Tidings (P-MD): March 4th 1953-March 4th 1961
32. Frank Carlson (P-KS): March 4th 1961-October 31st 1962*
33. John F. Kennedy (P-MA): October 31st 1962-March 4th 1965

34. Daniel Brewster (A-MD): March 4th 1965-June 6th 1968**
35. Hubert H. Humphrey (A-MN) June 6th 1968-January 13th 1978*
36. Daniel “Chappie James Jr. (A-FL): January 13th 1978-March 4th 1981***

37.  Edmund G. “Jerry” Brown Jr. (P-CA): March 4th 1981-January 28th 1986*
38. Jesse A. Helms Jr. (P-NC): January 28th 1986-March 4th 1993

39. Elizabeth Holtzman (A-NY): March 4th 1993-March 4th 2001***
40. Winthrop P. Rockefeller (P-AK): March 4th 2001-July 16th 2006*
41. Charles T. “Chuck” Hagel (P-NE): July 16th 2006-March 4th 2009

42. Eric K. Shinseki (A-H): March 4th 2009-???***

Notes.

11. Died in Office.
15. Died in Office due to Typhoid fever.
20. Assassinated by Charles J. Gueiteau.
23. Died in Office due to a massive heart attack.
26. Assassinated by a group of Puerto Rican Nationalists.
29. Died in Office due to complications of a failed Brain Tumor removal surgery.
32. Assassinated by a disgruntled postal worker
34. First President to resign the Office due to Bribery charges
35. First President to win a Third Term, later Died in Office due to bladder cancer
36. First African American President.
37. Assassinated by a crazed Nuclear Freeze advocate.
39. First Jewish and First Female President.
40. Died in office due to leukemia
42. First Japanese American President.

W: OTL Whig Party
D: OTL Democrats
A: American Party intially started as a front for Nativist, Former Whigs, now a Left to Center Party essentially the same as IOTL Democrats.
P: Populist Party, founded in the 1890s which initial support among Agricultural communities, now a Right to Center party essentially the same as OTL Republican Party.


Logged
Historico
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 981
United States


« Reply #46 on: August 11, 2009, 02:21:06 PM »

Ok guys here's a new list, for everyone who thinks I like to kill POTUS off lol, The POD is that Andrew Jackson is assassinated in 1935 resulting in a different Twenty Year Curse.

The Fall of Old Hickory

7. Andrew Jackson (D-TN): March 4th 1829-January 30th 1835*
8. Martin Van Buren (D-NY): January 30th 1835-March 4th 1837
9. David S. “Davy” Crockett (D-TN): March 4th 1837-March 4th 1841

10. Winfield Scott (W-NJ): March 4th 1841-March 4th 1845
11. Lewis Cass (D-MI): March 4th 1845-March 4th 1849
12. John M. Clayton (W-DE): March 4th 1849-March 4th 1853
13. William L. Marcy (D-NY): March 4th 1853-July 4th 1857*
14. Andrew Jackson Donelson (D-TN): July 4th 1857-March 4th 1861

15. John Van Buren (R-NY): March 4th 1861-October 13th 1866*
16. Salmon P. Chase (R-OH): October 13th 1866-March 4th 1869
17. Henry Wilson (R-MA): March 4th 1869-November 22nd 1875*
18. B. Gratz Brown (R-MO): November 22nd 1875-March 4th 1877

19. Thomas A. Hendricks (D-IN): March 4th 1877-March 4th 1881
20. William S. “Rosy” Rosecrans (R-OH): March 4th 1881-March 4th 1889
21. John G. Carlise (D-KY): March 4th 1889-March 4th 1893
22. Russell A. Alger (R-MI): March 4th 1893-January 24th 1897*
23. Matthew S. Quay (R-PA): January 24th-March 4th 1897

24. Richard P. Bland (D-MO): March 4th 1897-March 4th 1901
25. George Dewey (D-VT): March 4th 1901-March 4th 1909

26. Elihu Root (R-NY): March 4th 1909-October 14th 1913*
27. Hiram W. Johnson (R-CA): October 14th 1913-March 4th 1921

28. Alexander M. Palmer (D-PA): March 4th 1921-March 4th 1929
29. Oscar W. Underwood (D-AL): March 4th 1929-March 4th 1933

30. Charles Curtis (R-KA): March 4th 1933-Febuary 26th 1936*
31. Phillip F. “Phil” La Follette (R-WI): February 26th 1936-January 20th 1945
32. Alfred M. “Alf” Landon (R-KA): January 20th 1945-January 20th 1949

33. William P. Cooper (D-TN): January 20th 1949-January 20th 1953
34. Robert M. “Bob” La Follette (R-WI): January 20th 1953-Febuary 24th 1955*
35. Wayne L. Morse (R-OR): February 24th 1955-January 20th 1961

36. Albert B. “Happy” Chandler (D-KY): January 20th 1961-January 20th 1969
37. Nile C. Kinnick Jr. (R-IA): January 20th 1969-June 2nd 1973*
38. Walter E. Fauntroy (R-DC): June 2nd 1973-January 20th 1977***

39. Robert C. Byrd (D-WV): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1989**
40. Alexander M. Haig Jr. (R-PA): January 20th 1989-January 20th 1993
41. Lawton M. Chiles (D-FL): January 20th 1993-December 12th 1998*
42. Andrew M. Cuomo (D-NY): December 12th 1998-January 20th 2001

43. Nancy Landon Baker (R-KA): January 20th 2001-January 20th 2009*
44. John F. Kennedy Jr. (D-CA): January 20th 2009-???

Notes

7. Assassinated by Richard Lawrence in Washington D.C.
13. Died in office.
15. Died in office due to complications of Hypothermia.
17. Died in office due to a major stroke.
22. Assassinated by anarchist Leon Czolgoz.
26. Assassinated by John F. Schrank.
30. First Native American President; Died in office due to a massive heart attack.
34. Died in office due to self-inflicted Gunshot wound to the head.
37. Assassinated by Arthur Bremer.
38. First African American President.
39. First President to break the Washington Two-Term Tradition.
41. Died in office due to a massive heart attack.
43. First Female President.
Logged
Historico
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 981
United States


« Reply #47 on: August 12, 2009, 08:49:27 AM »

38. Walter E. Fauntroy (R-DC): June 2nd 1973-January 20th 1977***

Fauntroy is a Republican??

Well, as you can see from my list Kal, that the GOP remains the Progressive Party of Lincoln, Roosevelt, and Dewey/Warren(Van Buren, Root, Curtis, and the La Follettes ITTL)That would be the party of and that their base of support still lies in the Northeast, Pacific West, and the Midwest. The South remains solid ITTL, but still have White Working Class and Ethnic Voters such as Massachusetts and New York plus a somewhat hold on the Industrial states.

The nation ITTL, has been trending Center to Right after the three term Presidency of the Conservative Robert Byrd.  Imagine Kennedy and Cuomo being like modern day Burbon Democrats, while the GOP are those darned "Tax and Spend" Republicans lol.
Logged
Historico
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 981
United States


« Reply #48 on: August 15, 2009, 09:49:04 AM »

Here's a new list...Based on if Alf Landon somehow won the 1936 Election on his own merit or without ASB's(Which is pretty hard to do lol).

Against Impossible Odds: A Landon defeats Roosevelt Timeline

32. Franklin D. Roosevelt (D-NY): March 4th 1933-March 4th 1937
33. Alfred M. “Alf” Landon (R-KA): March 4th 1937-January 20th 1941
34. Harold L. Ickes (D-IL): January 20th-December 7th 1941*
35. Homer S. Cummings (D-CT): December 7th 1941-January 20th 1949

36. Everett M. Dirksen (R-IL): January 20th 1949-January 20th 1953
37. Paul H. Douglas (D-IL): January 20th 1953-January 20th 1961
38. S. Ernest Vandiver (D-GA): January 20th 1961-October 30th 1962*
39. Clinton P. Anderson (D-NM): October 30th 1962-January 20th 1965

40. Thomas Kuchel (R-CA): January 20th 1965-January 20th 1977
41. Milton Shapp (D-PA): January 20th 1977-January 20th 1985***
42. Phyllis M. Schlafly (R-IL): January 20th 1985-January 20th 1993***
43. Warren B. Rudman (R-NH): January 20th 1993-January 20th 1997

44. Alphonso M. “Mike” Espy (D-MS): January 20th 1997-January 20th 2001***
45. Mark C. Sanford Jr. (R-SC): January 20th 2001-January 20th 2009
46. Antonio R. Villaraigosa (D-CA): January 20th 2009-???***

Notes.

34. Assassinated in the Japanese Bombing attack, as Ickes was visiting the Pearl Harbor, Naval Base in Hawaii on that fateful day.
38. Died in office of a massive heart attack.
41. First Jewish American President.
42. First Female President
44. First African American President
46. First Hispanic American President


Logged
Historico
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 981
United States


« Reply #49 on: August 16, 2009, 12:54:52 PM »

Here's a quick list, Starting from 1964, succeeding Vice Presidential nominee's were able clinch the nod the following Presidential election and win the Presidenicy.

And the Runner Up is...

36. Lyndon B. Johnson (D-TX): November 22nd 1963-January 20th 1969
37. William E. Miller (R-NY): January 20th 1969-January 20th 1973
38. Edmund S. “Ed” Muskie (D-ME): January 20th 1973-September 5th 1975*
39. Sargent Shriver Jr. (D-MD): September 5th 1975-January 20th 1981

40. Robert J. “Bob” Dole (R-KA): January 20th 1981-January 20th 1989
41. Geraldine Anne Ferraro (D-NY): January 20th 1989-August 4th 1994***
42. Lloyd M. Bentsen Jr. (D-TX): August 4th 1994-January 20th 1997

43. Jack Kemp (R-NY): January 20th 1997-January 20th 2005
44. Joseph I. “Joe” Lieberman (D-CT): January 20th-May 10th 2005***
45. Johnny R. “John” Edwards (D-NC): May 10th 2005-January 20th 2013

46. Sarah L. Palin (R-AK): January 20th 2013-???

Notes.

38. Assassinated by Squeaky Fromme in Sacramento, California
41. First Female President, also first President to resign the office due to scandal.
44. First Jewish American President also Assassinated by Vladimir Arutyunian via Grenade explosion in Tbilisi, Georgia.
Logged
Pages: 1 [2] 3 4  
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.133 seconds with 10 queries.