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pbrower2a
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« on: May 29, 2015, 03:32:43 PM »


Definitely not political.
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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2015, 07:03:15 PM »

But do you think, in general, if someone is being extorted by an individual, that the person 'structuring' should receive a higher penalty than the blackmailer who is demanding payment?

The blackmail could be the result of the blackmailed person committing a crime.

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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2015, 07:18:37 AM »

But do you think, in general, if someone is being extorted by an individual, that the person 'structuring' should receive a higher penalty than the blackmailer who is demanding payment?

The blackmail could be the result of the blackmailed person committing a crime.



Sure - and that's the obvious exception. But in the sole context of a structuring case, I think too many innocent people get snared.

One is more likely to expose a blackmailer than commit the crime of lying to the Feds unless one is guilty of some crime. If one is blackmailed for something that could simply be embarrassing, then it is the blackmail that is the crime. The recipient of income from blackmail might then be subjected to some other crime -- let us say money laundering or tax evasion. 

So let us suppose that some conservative politician has a black great-grandmother that he wants to keep hidden because his campaign is based on barely-concealed themes of racial animus. A descendant of the brother of the great-grandmother threatens to disclose the birth certificate of the pol's great grandmother that has the letter "N" under "race"... and some unaltered photographs of what he presents as some "Cherokee princess"* that he waxes rhapsodical about. The blackmailer asks for $20K every year, and the pol sends amounts of $9.8K twice a year as cashier's checks from the bank and another $400 as a money order paid for in cash.

The blackmailer gets greedier, demanding $25K, and the pol then sends cashier checks for $12K and a money order for $1000... not recognizing that the amount for which the Feds look is not adjusted for inflation. The pol gets caught.

The Feds see the blackmail as a worse crime than the payoff, and give the pol a deal -- testify against the blackmailer in a federal court for tax fraud or money laundering even if such implies having to admit to failing the one-drop rule. Having to admit that he is one-eighth black is far better than ending up with some tough black guys who dealt drugs or robbed banks who now reside in a federal penitentiary.

In the case of Dennis Hastert, it seems that the reality covered up is worse than the payoffs. Surely the child sexual abuse would now be sloughed off in the courts due to the statute of limitations. But money laundering -- if Hastert can't be nailed for the child sexual abuse he can be nailed for money laundering.

...I suspect that the victim was caught first for either money laundering or tax evasion. Of course he cut his deal to save himself from some federal time and some confiscations. I don't know for sure, but that is how things can work. 

*The Cherokee had no nobility, so the story of his grandmother's origin is a sham. 
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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2015, 02:14:28 PM »
« Edited: May 30, 2015, 02:27:11 PM by pbrower2a »

So let us suppose that some conservative politician has a black great-grandmother that he wants to keep hidden because his campaign is based on barely-concealed themes of racial animus. A descendant of the brother of the great-grandmother threatens to disclose the birth certificate of the pol's great grandmother that has the letter "N" under "race"... and some unaltered photographs of what he presents as some "Cherokee princess"* that he waxes rhapsodical about. The blackmailer asks for $20K every year, and the pol sends amounts of $9.8K twice a year as cashier's checks from the bank and another $400 as a money order paid for in cash.

The blackmailer gets greedier, demanding $25K, and the pol then sends cashier checks for $12K and a money order for $1000... not recognizing that the amount for which the Feds look is not adjusted for inflation. The pol gets caught.

The Feds see the blackmail as a worse crime than the payoff, and give the pol a deal -- testify against the blackmailer in a federal court for tax fraud or money laundering even if such implies having to admit to failing the one-drop rule. Having to admit that he is one-eighth black is far better than ending up with some tough black guys who dealt drugs or robbed banks who now reside in a federal penitentiary.

*The Cherokee had no nobility, so the story of his grandmother's origin is a sham.  

This is the most dangerous view I've seen on Atlas and just recently, many expressed support for killing a baby because of who its parents were. Charging victims with crimes just to get them to testify is the absolute greatest wrong happening in the developed world at the moment even in cases where it is done to get justice.

The scenario is fiction. I was trying to reverse a scenario into one in which the blackmailed person was blackmailed for something not a crime. Having a black ancestor and hiding such for political reasons is no crime. Was it a perfect scenario? Of course not -- but one involving a combination of innocence but an understandable deceit.

The Feds take tax evasion and money-laundering seriously.  Someone living high on the hog without being able to explain how is probably cheating on taxes or (in some cases) the welfare system.

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There was no excuse back then for a teacher having a sexual relationship of any kind with a student. See also Mary K. LeTourneau -- let alone Pamela Smart (who got her male underage lover to kill her husband -- for which she is in prison for life). Having been a substitute school teacher I recognize the potential to steer someone underage into an exploitative and illicit relationship that can badly hurt the child -- and can rightly cause me to do a very long stint in the state prison. It is enough for me to recognize that everything about such behavior is a disaster for everyone involved.  

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Not as absurd as the idea that someone who eventually became Speaker of the House could have had a sexual relationship with a student while a teacher -- a betrayal of his profession and his relationship with a student.

Oh, by the way -- the alleged abuse of a youth was done in the 20th century.
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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2015, 04:49:36 PM »

The victim of the original crime probably got caught for tax fraud (revenue from blackmail is taxable income). He probably got to cut a deal, and he gave the Feds a very big fish. I'd say the equivalent of a whale shark in politics -- but that may be a poor analogy. Whale sharks are benign creatures.   
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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2015, 01:33:19 PM »

Creepy (VIDEO).

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The guy calls him Denny, says "Remember me from Yorkville?" and then when asked about his question, proceeds to laugh and hang up.


It would have never made sense as a call from a constituent... but maybe it does. One does not ordinarily refer to one's Representative by a diminutive name unless that name is in ordinary use by the pol.
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